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re: Opinion about Sports on Earth's list of 100 greatest CFB coaches of all-time?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 5:59 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 9/29/16 at 5:59 pm to Bench McElroy
I think spurrier should be a touch higher. He dominated the sec for a decade and changed the way the game is played. won an acc title at Duke too.
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Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:38 pm to Bench McElroy
I'd like to float an idea and see what y'all think. Most everyone agrees that modern football teams would wipe the field with old-timey ones just on size, speed, advanced fitness regimens and so forth. But what about the idea that modern coaches would coach circles around old-timey ones? I mean, they have the benefit of a hundred plus years of innovations and technique developments to draw on.
So a seminal coach like Royal, who really helped usher in the two-platoon era with his coaching innovations would deserves all the credit in the world for his acumen...but would be outcoached by, say, Les Miles, who, for all his flaws, still knows more about football coaching than anyone who lived 50 years ago. Not because he's smarter or more adept, but because he can use a playbook that covers forty years of CFB history after Royal coached his last wishbone.
So a seminal coach like Royal, who really helped usher in the two-platoon era with his coaching innovations would deserves all the credit in the world for his acumen...but would be outcoached by, say, Les Miles, who, for all his flaws, still knows more about football coaching than anyone who lived 50 years ago. Not because he's smarter or more adept, but because he can use a playbook that covers forty years of CFB history after Royal coached his last wishbone.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:44 pm to randomways
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Most everyone agrees that modern football teams would wipe the field with old-timey ones just on size, speed, advanced fitness regimens and so forth.
This is true, no doubt. But I'd venture to gues that those 'old times ones' are helluva lot tougher than today's athletes. They played both ways, played without facemasks or decent helmets, and the padding and gear was extremely low tech.
Sorry to stray off of the main point of your post, random.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:46 pm to randomways
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but because he can use a playbook that covers forty years of CFB history after Royal coached his last wishbone.
So why didn't he use that playbook when his job was on the line?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:47 pm to Sid E Walker
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This is true, no doubt. But I'd venture to gues that those 'old times ones' are helluva lot tougher than today's athletes. They played both ways, played without facemasks or decent helmets, and the padding and gear was extremely low tech.
Sorry to stray off of the main point of your post, random.
No, I agree. But their opponents were also smaller and less dangerous, so it would even out. I wouldn't want to be one of the Four Horsemen facing Clowney at a full run. Tough only takes you so far.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:51 pm to bamasgot13
quote:Stallings though, never had a pair of pants show up in a lake, wallet and all. Gotta give Dye some style points there.
Stallings also won a national title (Dye didn't), and won 10+ games in 4 of his 7 seasons at Bama whereas Dye did this 4 times in 12 years.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 6:51 pm to BamaGradinTn
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So why didn't he use that playbook when his job was on the line?
That I can't answer. Stubbornness, probably. Facing more advanced defense, possibly. I just used him because he's currently the most prominent example of a coach being derided for his coaching ability despite his success. If I'd picked Saban, for instance, nobody (well, nobody sane) would have bothered to debate the point that Saban is better.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 7:30 pm to bamasgot13
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But to have Stallings behind Dye, a man he had a 3-0 record against head-to-head, is a bit silly to me.
Dye resurrected a moribund program. Much more difficult than Stallings' job. The machine at UAT is on autopilot. If they just stay out of the REC's way, a smart monkey could win ten ballgames there. Witness Mike Dubose, Dennis Franchione.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 7:35 pm to TopJimmy
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Stallings though, never had a pair of pants show up in a lake, wallet and all. Gotta give Dye some style points there.
and Stallings didn't get sued for beating up a man 35 years younger than him like Dye did. That is some style points there. Tough old sob.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 7:44 pm to Bench McElroy
frick this list, I hope whoever made it loses their member in an unfortunate smelting accident.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:07 pm to Vols&Shaft83
bud wilkinson is too low .. osborne is too high ... neyland is too low ... johnny majors is too high ... and bo is way too high ...
Posted on 9/29/16 at 8:22 pm to Ag Zwin
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Slocum at #100 might be a bit generous, but he was absolutely a defensive genius, and did win a few conference titles.
disagree... sloucum should definitely be above jackie sherril, mark richt and mike leach
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:29 pm to Masterag
Wallace wade too low. Top 10 coach. Owned college football during his Bama stint. Singlehandedly killed the notion that Pacific coast and big 10 football were superior.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:51 pm to TouchdownTony
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Wallace wade too low. Top 10 coach. Owned college football during his Bama stint. Singlehandedly killed the notion that Pacific coast and big 10 football were superior.
Was it Wallace Wade or Frank Thomas that Bear would introduce to his players "as the man who got the ball rolling in Alabama?"
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:26 am to Bench McElroy
Vaught waaaay to low - Neyland waaaay to high - Wade too low - Majors too high - Bud Wlkinson should be top 5. Fulmer too high - Cholly Mac too high - Richt too high - Oh one last thing Bear too low!
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 2:31 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:53 am to viceman
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Stallings is an Aggie through and through. Don't misunderstand me, but he wouldn't be on the list if he didn't coach Bama.
Is that 5 Bama coaches on there? Might be one from before my time I missed.
There are 5 A&M coaches, too. We fired at least 3 of them.
Bible
Moran
Stallings
Sherrill
Slocum
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:00 am to Bench McElroy
List is crap without Jennings B. Whitworth or Hudson Hullman in the Top 10
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:04 am to LC412000
Ears Whitworth was talented enough to send both Alabama football and baseball into a freefalll. And amazingly did that 20 years apart.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:06 am to Bench McElroy
Saban should be 1, Urban should be higher
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:07 am to Bench McElroy
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No. 69 Danny Ford
That national title at Clemson doe.
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