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Posted on 5/28/16 at 2:57 am to MullenBoys
Posted on 5/28/16 at 2:57 am to MullenBoys
Ole Miss is fricked because not only do they have multiple level 1s, they lied to the ncaa and got caught.
when you lie and get caught the severity gets ramped up. they are going to make an example out of you.
when you lie and get caught the severity gets ramped up. they are going to make an example out of you.
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Posted on 5/28/16 at 2:58 am to MullenBoys
So are we going to see wins taken away? Miller was obviously rogue. This is on his bio.
The irony. Well his "behind-the-scenes" work was rampant cheating.
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His behind-the-scenes work has supported the team’s improvement on the field, which has resulted in four straight bowl appearances, including back-to-back New Year’s Six bowls.
The irony. Well his "behind-the-scenes" work was rampant cheating.
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 5/28/16 at 3:26 am to GratefulTiger
This Coach Harris from Ole Miss is screwed. These are almost the same violations guys like Ronnie Cottrel got hit with in past cases. They were the conact with a booster and were held responsible for the booster's actions. The school was then held responsible single for the rogue booster and assistant coach
I see from news reports that OM is touting that all but one coach accused of Level 1 violations has been fired. I guess the one is Harris and I can't see how he still has a job besides the time of year being fortuitous to wait
A 2-5 year show cause for Harris is the easiest call so far from the NOA. I really wonder what players these were he was in with the unknown booster on because according to the NCAA he was organizing all sorts of innappropriate contact and extra benefits
Unless OM is backing Harris and disputing that these violations occurred this is a slam dunk. If they are denying violations we get to the thing the NCAA dispises most, lying to the NCAA. If this was a criminal case, under the NCAA rules a criminal defendant who testified that they were innocent if a theft (misdemeanor) and was then convicted could be then convicted of perjury (felony) for lying about his innocence. That's not how our criminal system works, but when the NCAA determines a fact they rarely change their mind and decide that they were wrong
I see from news reports that OM is touting that all but one coach accused of Level 1 violations has been fired. I guess the one is Harris and I can't see how he still has a job besides the time of year being fortuitous to wait
A 2-5 year show cause for Harris is the easiest call so far from the NOA. I really wonder what players these were he was in with the unknown booster on because according to the NCAA he was organizing all sorts of innappropriate contact and extra benefits
Unless OM is backing Harris and disputing that these violations occurred this is a slam dunk. If they are denying violations we get to the thing the NCAA dispises most, lying to the NCAA. If this was a criminal case, under the NCAA rules a criminal defendant who testified that they were innocent if a theft (misdemeanor) and was then convicted could be then convicted of perjury (felony) for lying about his innocence. That's not how our criminal system works, but when the NCAA determines a fact they rarely change their mind and decide that they were wrong
Posted on 5/28/16 at 3:33 am to Blawdawg
Oh and vacated wins for 2011-2013 are a virtual guarantee as the NCAA states the players Saunders, Vaugn, and Nix provided impermissible benefits to and arranged fake tests were ineligible and competed during those seasons
That tracks right with what the the NCAA accused ULL of. I'd need to look back at the number of players ULL had but they self imposed 11 scholarships over 3 years. Perhaps OM's situation isn't as bad by comparison, I'll need to compare, but 11 over 3 for Saunders could be a winner based on precedent. That would assume no penalties for Harris or for failing to monitor the multiple Tunsil violations
That tracks right with what the the NCAA accused ULL of. I'd need to look back at the number of players ULL had but they self imposed 11 scholarships over 3 years. Perhaps OM's situation isn't as bad by comparison, I'll need to compare, but 11 over 3 for Saunders could be a winner based on precedent. That would assume no penalties for Harris or for failing to monitor the multiple Tunsil violations
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 3:38 am
Posted on 5/28/16 at 6:35 am to SSpaniel
I swear it never freaking fails that the moment I take a day off all hell breaks loose. What's so fricked up is I'm here pretty much all the time but never at the right time. 
Posted on 5/28/16 at 6:38 am to TampaReb
I did not read the entire 15 pages, but did anyone bring up a tin foil hat theory concerning Mark Emmert? That's Saban's buddy and who is it that has beaten Saban 2 years in a row?
Also wasn't there a Yahoo article a few years ago detailing plane tickets and actual receipts and it never went anywhere? Meaning NCAA never acted on it despite a mound of evidence.
Who is head of NCAA again?
Ole miss is in the cross hairs now...
Also wasn't there a Yahoo article a few years ago detailing plane tickets and actual receipts and it never went anywhere? Meaning NCAA never acted on it despite a mound of evidence.
Who is head of NCAA again?
Ole miss is in the cross hairs now...
Posted on 5/28/16 at 8:00 am to GratefulTiger
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The irony. Well his "behind-the-scenes" work was rabid cheating.
It's not "Rabid". It's rampant.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 8:48 am to Big4Dawg
At what point will we see the farese legal team work this magic we've heard so much about? Can't wait to see some Perry Mason style shite.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 9:02 am to pilsnerpusher
Did anyone really think Ole Miss was getting top 5 recruits because they're Ole Miss and top recruits loved Ole Miss's proven winning record? What in the heck did Ole Miss ever do before landing those choice top 10 recruits? Before thinking about that, tying for the SEC West crown doesn't count. Ole Miss getting one top recruit, OK that's believable! But getting 3 of the top 10 over the likes of Bama, LSU, Gators, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio St, and the USC's of the CFB world. It was obvious to everyone what was taking place, even Ole Miss fans knew. Ole Miss got greedy and gambled while winning nothing in return. At least Auburn's got awesome memories, championships, and all the other glory that comes from winning for their digressions. Ole Miss got nothing, that takes the possible pain to another level.
Auburn showed how to act in scenario's like this during the Cam situation. You deny, deny, deny, and claim plausible deniability while saying prove it! The NCAA blinked and that was that.....lol Guess Auburn's lawyers are better than what Ole Miss has on their payroll. Truthfully, I can't blame any program for trying all this when the rewards outweigh the possible punishment. If a person only got 3 months punishment for knocking a bank over, a bunch of people would be knocking over banks. With how bad the NCAA has been lately, programs are going to swing for the fence. Can anyone blame these programs for trying after witnessing others getting away with it? Like I mentioned, the rewards outweigh the risk taken. We'll see where this goes, but one thing the NCAA needs to do, stop pretending they're an amateur sport.
It's as simple as this below:
When Bama recruits great, that's believable.
It's Bama !!!
When Kentucky recruits great, that's believable.
It's Kentucky !!!
When Ole Miss does this, that's not believable.
It's Ole Miss !!!
Ole Miss's actions brought this spotlight upon themselves and all this could go either way. Ole Miss ends up with a few slaps on the wrist or the NCAA uses them as a example after getting embarrassed from their circus like investigations lately.
Auburn showed how to act in scenario's like this during the Cam situation. You deny, deny, deny, and claim plausible deniability while saying prove it! The NCAA blinked and that was that.....lol Guess Auburn's lawyers are better than what Ole Miss has on their payroll. Truthfully, I can't blame any program for trying all this when the rewards outweigh the possible punishment. If a person only got 3 months punishment for knocking a bank over, a bunch of people would be knocking over banks. With how bad the NCAA has been lately, programs are going to swing for the fence. Can anyone blame these programs for trying after witnessing others getting away with it? Like I mentioned, the rewards outweigh the risk taken. We'll see where this goes, but one thing the NCAA needs to do, stop pretending they're an amateur sport.
It's as simple as this below:
When Bama recruits great, that's believable.
It's Bama !!!
When Kentucky recruits great, that's believable.
It's Kentucky !!!
When Ole Miss does this, that's not believable.
It's Ole Miss !!!
Ole Miss's actions brought this spotlight upon themselves and all this could go either way. Ole Miss ends up with a few slaps on the wrist or the NCAA uses them as a example after getting embarrassed from their circus like investigations lately.
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/28/16 at 9:20 am to Blawdawg
No.... you got this wrong. You are not looking at the whole picture. ULL was way different.
Olé miss cheated and an investigation started. While being investigated... cheated again. Then... cheated again.
ULL never did that.
Olé miss lied. ULL did not. Many differences.
Olé miss cheated and an investigation started. While being investigated... cheated again. Then... cheated again.
ULL never did that.
Olé miss lied. ULL did not. Many differences.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 9:38 am to KTownRebel
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What happened the last time you got a postseason ban? Think before you just type stuff randomly feggit
IQ: ~75
Posted on 5/28/16 at 12:23 pm to beHop
Posted on 5/28/16 at 12:48 pm to pankReb
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We pay him millions to win football games. I really don't give a shite what he says on Twitter so long as he keeps winning
Well those are about to be vacated so.....
Posted on 5/28/16 at 1:26 pm to MaroonNation
Revels are unbelievable. Here's some justification for ya! From another board.
"The FCA guy was simply trying to get kids from his neighborhood out of gangs and into college, all of the right intentions done incorrectly and has been addressed by the added education. Even as a non-christen I have a difficult time faulting someone for that.
This is definitely unfortunate as Will Rogers said "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." But there is nothing in here as damning as some were hoping for, quite honestly the recent stuff if you read the response are just from a lack of experience that will improve."
"The FCA guy was simply trying to get kids from his neighborhood out of gangs and into college, all of the right intentions done incorrectly and has been addressed by the added education. Even as a non-christen I have a difficult time faulting someone for that.
This is definitely unfortunate as Will Rogers said "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." But there is nothing in here as damning as some were hoping for, quite honestly the recent stuff if you read the response are just from a lack of experience that will improve."
Posted on 5/28/16 at 1:30 pm to SouthOfHere
Some of the most pathetic excuses ever
Posted on 5/28/16 at 1:47 pm to AshLSU
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Sounds like the NCAA knew shite and had proof of said shite prior to going into the first investigation but said nothing to OM about said shite to see how forthcoming they would be and now that they were not forthcoming they are going to nail them big time with a second letter.
Ole Miss is going into the dark ages, I remember the naive denials three years ago when everyone else warned them
Posted on 5/28/16 at 1:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Even if the NCAA accepted Ole Miss's self-imposed punishment (they won't), the 11 over 4 is a pretty big deal when it gets to year 3 and 4. 4 schollies lost in back-to-back years is a pretty substantial hit.
As someone else said, it's a pretty sad day as a fan when you are hoping that 11 reduced scholarships is the worst of things. I would certainly imagine that beating Alabama twice and a couple New Years Day bowls isn't worth what is coming down the pike now...and I have a feeling it is going to get much worse for them before it gets better. I think Hugh Freeze will be shown the door before too long.
As someone else said, it's a pretty sad day as a fan when you are hoping that 11 reduced scholarships is the worst of things. I would certainly imagine that beating Alabama twice and a couple New Years Day bowls isn't worth what is coming down the pike now...and I have a feeling it is going to get much worse for them before it gets better. I think Hugh Freeze will be shown the door before too long.
Posted on 5/28/16 at 3:31 pm to BoarEd
It's theoretically possible that 3 coaches get show causes out of this. Probably not Nix or Kiffin's, but Harris is done unless the NCAA reclassified all his allegations. OM admits he's guilty, they just support him as being sloppy and lazy instead of being in business with boosters to recruit.
I've never seen a coach service those kinds of allegations. And the NCAA determines the facts IN the NOA. The response is more about punishment.
That's where OM is screwed on failure to monitor. I can't see the NCAA thank OM for their response and say "wow we we so wrong, let's pull the Tunsil violation." I think they have a better chance of saving Harris, and that's still a bad chance.
However, overall there is nothing to say OM HAS to get a bow ban. And their scholarship sanction offer is pretty significant because of the drop to 81 overall. Their initial counter offer is probably light, but besides coach suspensions (including maybe Freeze thanks to the new rules) that could be the only raise in punishments.
Any Lvl 1 violation on the 3 year probation or repeat offender window if extended will lead to a 2-4 year bowl ban though. So guys like Harris and Kiffin need to watch themselves with these boosters and agents. The NCAA isn't going to shorten the offered probation lol
I've never seen a coach service those kinds of allegations. And the NCAA determines the facts IN the NOA. The response is more about punishment.
That's where OM is screwed on failure to monitor. I can't see the NCAA thank OM for their response and say "wow we we so wrong, let's pull the Tunsil violation." I think they have a better chance of saving Harris, and that's still a bad chance.
However, overall there is nothing to say OM HAS to get a bow ban. And their scholarship sanction offer is pretty significant because of the drop to 81 overall. Their initial counter offer is probably light, but besides coach suspensions (including maybe Freeze thanks to the new rules) that could be the only raise in punishments.
Any Lvl 1 violation on the 3 year probation or repeat offender window if extended will lead to a 2-4 year bowl ban though. So guys like Harris and Kiffin need to watch themselves with these boosters and agents. The NCAA isn't going to shorten the offered probation lol
Posted on 5/28/16 at 4:49 pm to BoarEd
Bucky is looking in the mirror sayin':
"It seems I done went and fricked up."
"It seems I done went and fricked up."
This post was edited on 5/28/16 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 5/28/16 at 5:51 pm to russellvillehog
as a long time alabama fan & grad, i have sadly had to experience this, more than once. it is not fun. the process is very long & secretive & subjective.
if i were an ole miss fan i would be worried about the perception of the ncaa in the last few years as being weak & ineffective in regulating rules & imposing sanctions on cfb programs--are they wanting to make a statement about their authority? the sec is the most high profile conference, one of our programs would make an excellent "sacrificial lamb."
if i were an ole miss fan i would be worried about the perception of the ncaa in the last few years as being weak & ineffective in regulating rules & imposing sanctions on cfb programs--are they wanting to make a statement about their authority? the sec is the most high profile conference, one of our programs would make an excellent "sacrificial lamb."
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