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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:14 am to Whereisomaha
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:14 am to Whereisomaha
quote:This nit-picky stuff just doesn't matter man.
Whereisomaha
The operation Barney had going on was pre-meditated, planned, and orchestrated to the point where the operation was systematic. Lodging, meals, transportation, etc was systematically facilitated by your Asst Athletic Director and he organized direct contact between Ole Miss Boosters and recruits.
This little civil suit between a Mom'n Pop store owner and a few SA's is small beans.
The NCAA investigated, issued the NOA, then went back and amended the damn thing, handed down their final allegations and OM has responded in kind. The NCAA won't be amending that thing again.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:16 am to Whereisomaha
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Do yall really think they are bringing a lawsuit if they committed the crime?
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On a message board everyone has a bias and everyone sees what they want to see but at least look at the factors to determine if you are being logical or not.
Ole Miss just got slapped with 21 violations, 15 being level 1. These violations run the gamut NCAA rules violations. But because y'all are arguing the minor details of one of these allegations because timelines don't sync up and 'the books don't show it', you think that MSU/Lewis/Mullen is going down or that that the NCAA will back off.
You really want to talk about
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I love how you quoted the one thing that could be altered and ignored the rest.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:18 am to RT1941
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was systematically facilitated by your Asst Athletic Director and he organized direct contact between Ole Miss Boosters and recruits.
If I'm not mistaken, he was the man handpicked by Freeze to replace Dan Werner on the recruiting trail
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:19 am to Cdawg
quote:You can't have the damn Asst Athletic Director and on-the-field coaches orchestrating Booster/recruit involvement multiple times over the years and then lying to the NCAA about it.
I just have a hard time believing the investigator would have included that b/c (3) different parties admitted receiving free merchandise when a quick search of the RR owner has him posing in pics with ole miss athletes of past and present. The interaction of Farrar and Kiffin with the booster is plausible especially when the University agrees those two have committed other violations.
But let's throw that no. 9 out. Do you want to address no. 14 how Barney introduced SA39 to two different boosters and lied about it? So who is the dishonest one here?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:20 am to RT1941
Next time someone pisses on your leg and tells ya it's raining, it's just "minor details" right? 
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:25 am to Whereisomaha
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First $2800 at a small business isn't as easy to hide from a third party accountant than you think, but yes, if that was all there was then I'd agree. That's laughable.
It isn't easy to hide that amount from a 3rd party accountant, but it is easy to "hide" if:
1) the accountant isn't a 3rd party or is told "we have an issue with theft". A retailer like this - with NO security tags (as Ole Miss fans have repeatedly told us) - is going to have a certain amount of theft, so they'll always be off on their #s any way.
2) it isn't hidden at all. perhaps someone actually purchased a gift card with cash (no record of who) and the recruits used that gift card(s) to pay for the merch. Nothing to "hide" there as books would be clear and names of purchasers (of gift card and merch) wouldn't be known.
I've said it before, but one of the oldest tricks to get kids merchandise is to have them go pick out what they want at a store and then tell the clerk something like "I forgot my wallet, can you hold this for me? My name is X". The clerk holds it and then later (usually after a shift change) someone else comes in and says "you're holding merchandise for someone named X." That person pays for it and gives it to the recruit later. I know of at least 2 SEC schools that's happened at, but in neither of those cases did the school know/arrange it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:28 am to UAtide11
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was systematically facilitated by your Asst Athletic Director and he organized direct contact between Ole Miss Boosters and recruits.
Can any of these legal whiz OM experts that think the lawsuit is their savior, answer how this lawsuit does anything to lessen this right here?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:29 am to Cdawg
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Farrar arranged for ,a representative of the institution's athletics interests, to provide roundtrip transportation between [Location 9] and Oxford, Mississippi, (approximately [Distance 3]) to [Student-Athlete 39] in conjunction with an unofficial visit
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[b]Farrar arranged for , a representative of the institution's athletics interests, to provide [Student-Athlete 39] with transportation
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[b]Farrar arranged for to provide [Student-Athlete 39] and [Family Member 11], [Student-Athlete 39’s]cousin, with roundtrip transportation
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[b]Farrar arranged free hotel lodging for [Student-Athlete 39]; [Family Member 11]; [Family Member 12], [Student-Athlete 39’s] cousin; and [Student-Athlete 46], [Student-Athlete 39’s]friend and then football prospective student-athlete, in conjunction with an unofficial visit and home football game at the institution. The football program also provided the four of them with free meals on this occasion.
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Farrar arranged for [Family Member 11] to receive two nights' free hotel lodging during [Student-Athlete 39’s] official paid visit.
That's a lot of things that "Farrar arranged". Were Freeze and/or compliance not curious how all of these things took place? Were they not asking questions about how these recruits were getting on campus and how it was being paid for on unofficials? Not asking where family was staying? Doesn't sound like an atmosphere of compliance and institutional control. Sounds like "I'll look this way while you do the dirty work"
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:29 am to UAtide11
Barney Farrar's job was 100% recruiter, night/day 24/7/365.
Other than Hugh Freeze, Barney was THE recruiter....but he was not rogue!
Barney did not operate on his own for years/months on end without the HC's knowledge. Barney did not drag in other on-the-field coaches into his Booster/Recruit operation without the knowledge of the head man in charge.
Other than Hugh Freeze, Barney was THE recruiter....but he was not rogue!
Barney did not operate on his own for years/months on end without the HC's knowledge. Barney did not drag in other on-the-field coaches into his Booster/Recruit operation without the knowledge of the head man in charge.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:34 am to bamasgot13
quote:Now that's the "out of the box recruiting" that Archie praised Hugh for when they hired him.
That's a lot of things that "Farrar arranged". Were Freeze and/or compliance not curious how all of these things took place? Were they not asking questions about how these recruits were getting on campus and how it was being paid for on unofficials? Not asking where family was staying? Doesn't sound like an atmosphere of compliance and institutional control. Sounds like "I'll look this way while you do the dirty work"
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:34 am to Cdawg
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But let's throw that no. 9 out. Do you want to address no. 14 how Barney introduced SA39 to two different boosters and lied about it? So who is the dishonest one here?
Barney is. OM threw him under the bus. Then Barney said Freeze didn't know about it. We will still be punished for that of course. I don't know where youre going with this.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:35 am to bamasgot13
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Sounds like "I'll look this way while you do the dirty work"
That's the whole point, one some OM fans fail to grasp, and IMO why the NCAA is going hard after Freeze and OM.
Freeze was brought in by Tuohy as a package deal with Michael Oher and Greg Hardy from Briarcrest. Once things went south with Nutt, the boosters got him installed as the HC so they could get more involved and he wouldn't get in their way because he owed them for it. By Freeze's 2nd recruiting class it was apparent, to any impartial outsider, that the boosters had gotten heavily involved.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:38 am to Whereisomaha
How much do you think their revenue is? I'm gonna go ahead and do some math for you since OM doesn't maths. Let's wo with something small and easy 2.8 million dollars. How much do you think they have in shrink? Average retail shrink is 1.5%. 2800 dollars is .1% of shrink... Think about it a little more... Since OM fans must keep up with the latest fashion trends i'm betting RR is selling male rompers in their store for at least 140 dollars a pop. 20,000 students on campus and everyone has to have a romper that is 2.8 million in romper sales alone. so we all know they have way more revenue than that easy maths i showed you above bringing down the total % of shrink to revenue ratio even more.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:38 am to UAtide11
And Barney was the grunt working the behind the scenes system to get the right Boosters hooked up with the right recruits. Barney even delegated some of the grunt work onto other coaches because he had literally dozens of recruits and boosters operating. Freeze said he knew how much Barney "poured into" those recruiting classes.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:44 am to Whereisomaha
I'm going to where it's become you can't see the forest because of the single tree in the way.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:48 am to RT1941
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This little civil suit between a Mom'n Pop store owner and a few SA's is small beans.
That's the only point I jumped in this crazy arse thread to discuss. I'm not diving into things that aren't even in the NOA. The second NOA falls apart if the testimony given by Leo and Kobe is removed. The law suit could cause the NCAA to redact their statements based on the player's request. We will know at the end of July when the NCAA responds. Even with all that removed, you are right, there is enough to hammer OM worse than their self imposed if they want to. But the next story is, and the only thing that deserves discussion is if their statements are recanted. Everything else is just hopeful guessing on both sides.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:52 am to Cdawg
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I'm going to where it's become you can't see the forest because of the single tree in the way.
The forest is LOIC. If you remove the tree( Leo and Kobe's statements) the forest falls down. They may do that if they do not want to have to swear under oath. They may not. That's all I am saying
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:55 am to Whereisomaha
The NCAA will have already laid down the hammer way before any details of this little civil suit makes it to court. It will have zero influence on the decisions made by the COI or on the response OM presented in defense of the NOA.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:55 am to Whereisomaha
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If you remove the tree( Leo and Kobe's statements) the forest falls down
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:07 am to RT1941
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The NCAA will have already laid down the hammer way before any details of this little civil suit makes it to court. It will have zero influence on the decisions made by the COI or on the response OM presented in defense of the NOA.
Pretty much this. And the attorney filing the suit, as well as the plaintiff, have to know that, which makes you curious as the the motives of the suit.
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