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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:14 am
FB memories on point today.
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:19 am to sorantable
They were right about them not going anywhere.
5-7 with the talent Ole Miss had last year should be a criminal offense.
5-7 with the talent Ole Miss had last year should be a criminal offense.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:19 am to sorantable
Unless the NCAA has the smoking gun then they are going to look stupid. If all they have are car rides and kids having permission to use hunting land and no shoebox full of cash has the NCAA justified a 5 year investigation?
Let's remember that Miami was caught paying hunfrededs of thousands of dollars like $200,000 and lost 9 scholarships. The first NOA found violations of like 15,000. Something isn't adding up.
Let's remember that Miami was caught paying hunfrededs of thousands of dollars like $200,000 and lost 9 scholarships. The first NOA found violations of like 15,000. Something isn't adding up.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 9:21 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:20 am to sorantable
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:25 am to HottyToddy7
quote:kinda like yalls recruiting class?
then they are going to look stupid
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:27 am to HottyToddy7
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Let's remember that Miami was caught paying hunfrededs of thousands of dollars like $200,000 and lost 9 scholarships. The first NOA found violations of like 15,000. Something isn't adding up.
Let's remember the NCAA completely botched that investigation and couldn't use most of what they found on Miami
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:28 am to HottyToddy7
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Unless the NCAA has the smoking gun then they are going to look stupid. If all they have are car rides and kids having permission to use hunting land and no shoebox full of cash has the NCAA justified a 5 year investigation?
They have academic fraud. They will (and should) hammer you for that.
I know, I know, glass houses. But they will drill y'all for academic fraud.
eta: y'all just don't seem to get it. They are out to get you because y'all didn't bend over and grab your ankles when they first came to town. Is it fair? probably not.
But they came to investigate you and the OM administration basically dared them to find something big. And more stuff has come out while they have been there that wasn't originally uncovered.
Jim Tressel, Bruce Pearl, Donnie Tyndall, etc. all those guys got show-causes not for the actual infraction, but because they lied to the investigators. That's why they were interviewing kids from other school, to catch your people in a lie. Not to uncover something else because "they don't have the smoking gun they were looking for".
I mostly feel bad for the OM fans in this situation, your insiders and administration have been bullshitting you from the get go. It's only been slowly that some of you have come to the realization that your program is going to get punished.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:31 am to HottyToddy7
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Unless the NCAA has the smoking gun then they are going to look stupid. If all they have are car rides and kids having permission to use hunting land and no shoebox full of cash has the NCAA justified a 5 year investigation?
Then why did you guys offer up 11 scholarships as your proposed penalty? If they've got no smoking gun and only $15K instead of the $200K in Miami, why do you think Ole Miss SELF recommended more scholarships lost than what Miami lost? Also, do you think it is possible Ole Miss went low on the self recommended number knowing the NCAA would likely have a much higher number and they were hoping to meet in the middle somewhere in a weird punishment negotiation?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:33 am to bamasgot13
No. the academic fraud is factored in and the NCAA has a matrix they go by on penalties based on levels of violations and the punishment based on precedent. The issue in the first NOA is that there were 3 or 4 level 1 violations that OM thinks are level 2 or 3.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:35 am to bamasgot13
Probably figured if they self recommended at or above standard sholarships lost than NCAA would GTFO. If they were going to actively fight the NCAA investigation they would have done so from the get go.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:04 am to HottyToddy7
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punishment based on precedent
good luck hoping the NCAA follows "precedent" because that would be a first with themPosted on 2/10/17 at 10:24 am to UAtide11
quote:And offering fricking immunity to kids from other schools in an effort to get the "truth" out of them.
Jim Tressel, Bruce Pearl, Donnie Tyndall, etc. all those guys got show-causes not for the actual infraction, but because they lied to the investigators. That's why they were interviewing kids from other school, to catch your people in a lie. Not to uncover something else because "they don't have the smoking gun they were looking for".
frick the NCAA
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:30 am to RT1941
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And offering fricking immunity to kids from other schools in an effort to get the "truth" out of them.
That's 100% what they do.
They offered Aaron Craft immunity while he was enrolled at Ohio St to say that he attended a cookout at Bruce Pearl's house that violated NCAA rules.
Immunity from what, you might ask. Immunity from them revoking his eligibility. If that isn't a protection racket, I don't know what is.
eta: I should add, they aren't doing this because they are some evil rogue organization. They do it because they have the monumental task of policing nearly all of college athletics and they don't have subpoena power. People generally aren't compelled to come clean if they don't have to. So they have to leverage the dirt they have on individuals to try and get to the people they believe to be the true perpetrators of the infractions.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:00 am to HottyToddy7
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No. the academic fraud is factored in and the NCAA has a matrix they go by on penalties based on levels of violations and the punishment based on precedent. The issue in the first NOA is that there were 3 or 4 level 1 violations that OM thinks are level 2 or 3.
They can do whatever the frick they want to do. It's their playground and you got permission to play on it but they still get to make the rules.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:02 am to UAtide11
The only time our school hasn't bent over to the NCAA was the Hugh tweet on signing day 2013. Other than that we have sat quiet and have taken a beating in the realm of public opinion and not leaked a thing while the NCAA has had multiple leaks (pre signing day 2016) in an attempt to cause us hard. I'm pissed we are sitting back but the damn cooperation medal better mean something or the whole athletic administration is going to get the ax.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:16 am to UAtide11
It's totally asinine for this investigation to drag on this long.
They will not drop the death penalty on a program again.
In the absence of the death penalty the NCAA has a ceiling on the severity of sanctions they can level. There is no reason they can't call it a day, take what they've got, dish out the punishment and let OM wipe the slate clean and get back to business.
They will not drop the death penalty on a program again.
In the absence of the death penalty the NCAA has a ceiling on the severity of sanctions they can level. There is no reason they can't call it a day, take what they've got, dish out the punishment and let OM wipe the slate clean and get back to business.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:32 am to HottyToddy7
USC is the precedent that you should be worried about.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:37 am to HottyToddy7
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Ole Miss admits in its response to the Notice of Allegations that "had it not been for the altercation (between Miller and Tunsil) …. it is unlikely the University or enforcement staff would have discovered (Miller's) connection to the two boosters."
This was in 2015, 2+ years after the investigation started.
Saunders was given an 8-year show-cause for what he did at Ole Miss. Chris Vaughn was fired from Texas for what he did at OM 5 years prior. Y'all are going to get popped, prepare yourself.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:42 am to UAtide11
Yes that we gave to the NCAA. 90% of what was in the first NOA was found by the University, not the NCAA.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:50 am to HottyToddy7
quote:Here's what I fail to understand....If OM Compliance gave the NCAA 90% of what was in the 1st NOA, then why didn't they know that Tunsil continued to drive a user car?
Yes that we gave to the NCAA. 90% of what was in the first NOA was found by the University, not the NCAA.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 11:53 am
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