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Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:54 pm
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:54 pm to Presh
Yes, another valuable and quality addition of a thread
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:57 pm to Presh
Did he look like this:
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:58 pm to Presh
Holy shite. I'll repeat this in the 3rd thread about this play: #70 is only 3 yards downfield when the ball is released.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:00 pm to Presh
You MSU fans are really making me look forward to playing yall.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:02 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Did he look like this:
no, kind of like this diagram
notice two of the linemen(tanks) holding on the line, with the other at right about 3-4 yards past the line
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:07 pm to pvilleguru
More like 5 yards, y'all cried about it in the iron bowl and our guy was only like 4 yards down field and was engaged before 3 yards
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:08 pm to Presh
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:09 pm to gstiger2233
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More like 5 yards, y'all cried about it in the iron bowl and our guy was only like 4 yards down field and was engaged before 3 yards
No. He was 3 yards when the ball was released, and between 4-5 when the ball is caught. That is a legal play. I didn't say shite about any call during the iron bowl.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:10 pm to NYCAuburn
It was a well-planned and executed play:
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:20 pm to Presh
Should have been called.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:23 pm to Presh
2 things Bama got away with there. The linemen stopped the LB momentarily in his tracks before he realized the linemen wasn't the receiver. Too late to cover the real receiver. Then I noticed how the bama rt tackle was spinning his man nearly 360. From the front it looked like a hold. Was there a flag on that play?
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:28 pm to gstiger2233
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More like 5 yards, y'all cried about it in the iron bowl and our guy was only like 4 yards down field and was engaged before 3 yards
My two cents worth...
I talked to a high school coach(who will remain nameless), This coach attended two coaching siminars put on by Gus Malzhan.
The particular play the Bama fans complain about is starting to crop up all over the place. I saw it 3 times last Saturday. All 3 times it resulted in a TD and all 3 times one or more lineman were at LEAST 5 yards down field.
Now to the point. This particular coach told me that exact play is taught at Malzhan's clinic. Having the lineman downfield is PART of the play design. Malzhan was asked in each clinic about it being apenalty and he said that the refs will probably never see it because they are too busy trying to determine if the QB crosses the LOS before he throws the ball.
He said that what make sthe play effective is the CB and Safeties are taught to look and check the position of the linemen before they peal off and go after the QB. In each example you will see they do exactly that.
As the play progresses the Safety comes up to provide backup to the CB when the QB approaches the line they turn their heads look for the linemen and then know the QB has to run because they have linemen downfield. That is why both leave the Receiver open.
Malzhan told the groups in both clinics that it is a high reward gamble because it puts two defenders covering two Offensive players who are both in space and leaves them with an impossibel choice. Either way they choose it is either a TD or a big gain.
The gamble part is IF the refs catch the illegal receiver downfield then its a 5 yard penalty.
IOW expect a rule change soon.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:38 pm to Loserman
Exactly. It's not like a holding call or false start that the refs will miss sometimes. On that play the lineman is specifically taught to go downfield in order to trick the corner into leaving his man. The entire play is designed around an illegal maneuver with the intention of tricking both the ref and the corner. The reward of an almost guaranteed touchdown when it works is worth the risk of getting a 5 yard penalty. That is why the refs have got to clean up that play. If they decide that the refs have too much going on to keep up with where the linemen are, then make it reviewable if a coach wants to challenge it. That play is going to be as common as the play action pass if the refs don't start calling it correctly.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:40 pm to Loserman
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IOW expect a rule change soon.
Yep. There was a national meeting of officials today that discussed this very topic. I don't know what they can do about it in the short term, but my gut tells me the rule will be changed to how the NFL does it.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:55 pm to Monticello
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The entire play is designed around an illegal maneuver with the intention of tricking both the ref and the corner.
So was a pick play during a crossing route. It was designed to have one of the crossing receivers to bump the defender and take him out of position so that the other receiver would always be left open.
Then came a rule change.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:57 pm to Presh
It's a commonly missed penalty, that's the whole issue here and why they need to fix it.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:04 pm to Presh
Unless the lineman is interfering with the pass he should be able to be anywhere on the field he wants to be. If the only reason you have for opposing the lineman downfield is that it interferes with the dbs read key then it's asinine. There is a reason safeties are called safeties and not linebackers. i think they should do away with the rule entirely. Then the line judge can focus on real penalties like holding. Or they can just keep ignoring it which is fine by me.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 4:10 pm to VivaZapata27
^^^^post above guys retarded.
lineman down field regardless of team should be called. That play saturday was ridiculous, why would the guy be WIDE open if everyone on the entire field didn't think it was a run. Rule needs to be changed. These teams that run these high school offenses can't get it all, they got to draw a line in the sand somewhere and this clearly needs to be corrected this off season. It should be reviewable
lineman down field regardless of team should be called. That play saturday was ridiculous, why would the guy be WIDE open if everyone on the entire field didn't think it was a run. Rule needs to be changed. These teams that run these high school offenses can't get it all, they got to draw a line in the sand somewhere and this clearly needs to be corrected this off season. It should be reviewable
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