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re: Nick Saban on Clemson QB Deshaun Watson "most dominant player in CFB since Cam"

Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:20 pm to
Posted by PepaSpray
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:20 pm to
Dominant?!?!

I guess you aren't a literary scientist.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:38 pm to
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Dominant?!?!

I guess you aren't a literary scientist.


What am I missing? Why are people complaining about the word "dominant" in this thread and in the title? It's the proper usage and spelling. Dominant = adjective. Dominate = verb. Is this some Rant in-joke that's going over my head?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:27 pm to
quote:

kind of an odd statement given Auburn's defense shut down SC in the SEC title game, and Oregon in the national title game. Winning 22-19 in the title game isn't just because of Cam. that's some good defense.


I will agree that the Championship game was probably the only game that Cam didn't single handily win, but Oregon was overrated.

South Carolina was a 5 loss team that got pumped up because they pulled up a huge upset vs Alabama.
Posted by KiffinsVisor
Tennessee
Member since Jun 2014
1129 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:41 am to
Henry played for us... So how could he be the toughest player we faced? dont be dumb
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:54 am to
Why are you responding to a post you already responded to 8 days ago?
Posted by FiftyShades
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:56 am to
LF7
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23106 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:57 am to
Manziel and Watson are in that convo, and Watson doesn't have to be as dominant as Manziel b/c the rest of his team is more talented. A&M was having to score 40 points to win games with Manziel. Watson can get away with scoring 28 and relying on his D to some extent.

If you asked me if I could have watson or manziel for one year at their best in college, I'm probably taking Watson...probably
Posted by BobLeeDagger
In Your Head
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:03 am to
Either him or Mcaffrey (sp?) I mean, he isn't wrong by any means. 4net could get there, depends how dynamic LSU's offense will be this year.

I will say that Dak "dominanted" many games for State in 2014. Talking in the pure sense of the word. He was almost a one man show against Auburn.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 10:05 am
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45041 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:12 am to
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Disagree. For example Manziel had 1410 yards rushing - 21 TDs in the SEC.

Watson had 1105 yards and only 12 TDs and plays in the ACC


Manziel sure was dominant against LSU
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7212 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:14 am to
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Manziel would be the only one I can think of that comes close.

Comes close?

lol.

Manziel actually beat Alabama.

And when he didn't, he still produced more yards against the Tide than any other opposing QB in Alabama history.

Yeah, close.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7212 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:15 am to
quote:

Watson doesn't have to be as dominant as Manziel b/c the rest of his team is more talented.

At least you correctly identified the issue.

However this thread is about which player is more dominant.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:16 am to
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Comes close? lol. Manziel actually beat Alabama. And when he didn't, he still produced more yards against the Tide than any other opposing QB in Alabama history. Yeah, close.


Our 2013 defense doesn't hold a candle to our 2015 defense that Watson made plays against, though.

2012 was pretty good, and Manziel was obviously incredible that day (and season, and career).
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:17 am to
Wow, just found this thread. Per usual, sms151t is continuing to be the biggest Watson hater or troll on the planet. I really can't figure out which one. Let it be known this is the same tard who said he would take Everett Golson over Deshaun Watson last year, and Deshaun Watson hadn't shown him anything. He thought Clemson and LSU's QB situations were similar coming into last season. Just wanted to make sure yal knew the level of ignorance or sheer hate we're dealing with here.

quote:

He is not a great QB


Lulz

quote:

I think he is good though.


Statistically the most dominant National Championship Game performance in college football history. Good to know that qualifies for "good though" IYO.

quote:

Cam
- As dominant as they come, no argument here although Watson was more consistently dominant across the season. Cam was coming from JUCO, learning a new system, though, and once he got it down he was incredible.

quote:

Mariota
- Lulz, show me the kind of dominant performance Mariota had against an all-time defense like Alabama. I'll wait. We saw what happened when he played Ohio State.

quote:

Tebow
- As dominant as they come, no argument here.

quote:

RGIII
- Ditto Mariotta, show me the dominance against a top-flight defense.

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Luck
- GTFO you clueless troll. We're talking dominant college player not best prospect. Putting Luck and Watson in the same conversation as far as college dominance is as dumb as the people hating on Tebow because he didn't succeed in the NFL. There's not a chance in hell anyone could say Luck had a more dramatic impact on his team than Watson did.

quote:

JFF
- At his peak he's as good as anyone (probably including Cam), but consistency hurt him. Watson also never had the kind of terrible games he had against the LSU's of the world. Watson has had a more dominant career, Manziel has had more dominant peaks.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7212 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:17 am to
quote:

Manziel needs to be in that conversation as well but he could be defended at times.

Twice.

He was defended twice.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7212 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:18 am to
quote:

At his peak he's as good as anyone (probably including Cam), but consistency hurt him.

He had two "bad" games.
Posted by gameovergt
Orange Park, FL via Stevenson, AL
Member since Nov 2010
1963 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:19 am to
agree. He fits that offense perfectly!
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7212 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:21 am to
quote:

Our 2013 defense doesn't hold a candle to our 2015 defense that Watson made plays against, though.

Are we really going to qualify JFF's unprecedented (literally, unprecedented) performance against the Tide because the 2013 unit wasn't as good as 2015?

Come on.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:42 am to
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He had two "bad" games.


And they were really bad.

I'm not trying to disparage Manziel, he was incredible. I just think he had some bigger struggles than Watson did. Watson's only real struggle of a game was against Louisville.

It's splitting hairs, but I think given Watson's consistently dominant presence, I'd put him slightly over Manziel's.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45041 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:45 am to
quote:

He had two "bad" games.


Hmm who was that against?
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45041 posts
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:45 am to
quote:

He had two "bad" games.


Hmm who was that against?
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