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Nick Ruined The SEC, But Not How You Think He Did
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:43 am
The current theme of the Rant right now is that Nick ruined the SEC either by raising expectations to unreasonable heights, or just because he sucked all the oxygen out of the room so otherwise good coaches can't live up to more modest expectations.
I honestly think Nick did something else that is far worse than either- he poisoned the SEC coaching well.
As it is if you want a new head coach who has had major recent SEC success you pretty much have to hire out of the Nick Saban tree. But time and time again Nick Saban proteges underwhelm or outright suck. The coaches Nick hires are talented when they get to Tuscaloosa, but they also get spoiled about being able to out-talent opponents which means they don't fit in anywhere else in the SEC.
If Nick was just beating us on the field that would be one thing, but he is also draining our pipeline.
It will take a long time for the rest of the SEC to recover, and even Bama might get sucked into the coaching black hole he has created when he retires.
I honestly think Nick did something else that is far worse than either- he poisoned the SEC coaching well.
As it is if you want a new head coach who has had major recent SEC success you pretty much have to hire out of the Nick Saban tree. But time and time again Nick Saban proteges underwhelm or outright suck. The coaches Nick hires are talented when they get to Tuscaloosa, but they also get spoiled about being able to out-talent opponents which means they don't fit in anywhere else in the SEC.
If Nick was just beating us on the field that would be one thing, but he is also draining our pipeline.
It will take a long time for the rest of the SEC to recover, and even Bama might get sucked into the coaching black hole he has created when he retires.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:45 am to cardboardboxer
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Bama might get sucked into the coaching black hole he has created when he retires.
This will definitely happen.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:47 am to cardboardboxer
McElwain has done pretty damn well given the injuries he's had to deal with in the last 2 years.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:47 am to cardboardboxer
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As it is if you want a new head coach who has had major recent SEC success you pretty much have to hire out of the Nick Saban tree.
What major recent SEC success did Saban have when LSU hired him from Michigan State after the 1999 season? Or better yet, how many years of SEC coaching experience did Urban Meyer have when Florida hired him after they fired Ron Zook?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:48 am to Eli Goldfinger
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This will definitely happen.
Not if yall steal Clemson's coach.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:49 am to BamaGradinTn
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McElwain has done pretty damn well given the injuries he's had to deal with in the last 2 years.
His recruiting sucks compared to previous championship coaches at UF. He is riding Boom's talent in a weak SEC East.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:50 am to cardboardboxer
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even Bama might get sucked into the coaching black hole he has created when he retires.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:50 am to cardboardboxer
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This will definitely happen.
Not if yall steal Clemson's coach.
Even then...Dabo != Saban
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:51 am to Bench McElroy
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What major recent SEC success did Saban have when LSU hired him from Michigan State after the 1999 season? Or better yet, how many years of SEC coaching experience did Urban Meyer have when Florida hired him after they fired Ron Zook?
I am not saying coaches have to have SEC success on their resume before being hired in the SEC. Many of the current SEC coaches (Tenn, A&M, Ole Miss, Arky, Mizzou, etc.) don't meet that standard.
With that said hiring a coach who knows the conference and has had some success in it used to be a safe bet, but now it is the path to ruin.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:51 am to cardboardboxer
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His recruiting sucks compared to previous championship coaches at UF. He is riding Boom's talent in a weak SEC East.
I'm not sold on McElwein either. Solid coach and probably more capable of managing a program than most of Saban's assistants, but I don't think he's the right guy for Florida.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:51 am to Eli Goldfinger
IMO, the problem for Bama when Saban retires is a potential power vacuum when he's gone and if boosters want to get too involved to fill it.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:51 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Even then...Dabo != Saban
Nobody = Saban. Ever. So, that should be removed from the lexicon in discussing his replacement, because the next Saban doesn't exist. There is 1 man that is close, and he is staying in Columbus for the next 10-15 years.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:54 am to cardboardboxer
Saban has built a machine where DB's are stronger than the other team's OLinemen. I have no idea how he does it.
Alabama players are just stronger than everyone else. By far. It is almost like they are the only team working out and everyone else is just sitting there. LSU kept it close on the physicality front for awhile, but could not keep up. Playing Alabama is like getting hit with an iron bar across the face.
Seriously. They are like 15% stronger than every other team they ever play. It is unreal. Watch them. They just dominate with strength, power, agility, and size in every single game. Like men among boys.
They must recruit superior athletes (obviously) and their S&C program must be the tops in the country. Strangely, many Alabama players get hurt when they go to the NFL and many do not perform at the same dominant level. Of course, many continue to be very good and are very talented. Julio Jones comes to mind.
There's no question thought. Alabama is just stronger and more powerful than every other team in college football every single year no matter what. And, often true Freshmen are stronger and more powerful than the other team's Seniors. How can we compete with that? This reminds me of Nebraska in the 90s, but for a longer period.
Just wait for Saban to retire, I guess.
Alabama players are just stronger than everyone else. By far. It is almost like they are the only team working out and everyone else is just sitting there. LSU kept it close on the physicality front for awhile, but could not keep up. Playing Alabama is like getting hit with an iron bar across the face.
Seriously. They are like 15% stronger than every other team they ever play. It is unreal. Watch them. They just dominate with strength, power, agility, and size in every single game. Like men among boys.
They must recruit superior athletes (obviously) and their S&C program must be the tops in the country. Strangely, many Alabama players get hurt when they go to the NFL and many do not perform at the same dominant level. Of course, many continue to be very good and are very talented. Julio Jones comes to mind.
There's no question thought. Alabama is just stronger and more powerful than every other team in college football every single year no matter what. And, often true Freshmen are stronger and more powerful than the other team's Seniors. How can we compete with that? This reminds me of Nebraska in the 90s, but for a longer period.
Just wait for Saban to retire, I guess.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:56 am to Crowknowsbest
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IMO, the problem for Bama when Saban retires is a potential power vacuum when he's gone and if boosters want to get too involved to fill it.
No, the problem is Saban will create expectations that no coach following him can match.
Bama fans can today theoretically tell you that they understand that and will give the next guy more rope, but that rope gets frayed when the next guy loses two Iron Bowls in a row or something like that.
It is easy to see the correct path down the mountain when you are on top, but actually walking it is a different story.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:57 am to cardboardboxer
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Bama fans can today theoretically tell you that they understand that and will give the next guy more rope, but that rope gets frayed when the next guy loses two Iron Bowls in a row or something like that.
Yep - I agree. I think the new guy will get some leverage, but not much. It's going to be an impossible gig. Quite frankly, I don't know why anyone would touch it.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:57 am to cardboardboxer
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His recruiting sucks compared to previous championship coaches at UF. He is riding Boom's talent in a weak SEC East.
And what is the flip side of the coin? You want a Southern Cal situation where there is 5* talent all over the field but haven't been consistent since Cheat Carroll left? Clay Helton so far has made a improvements but a team like USC should be 0 or 1 loss every season. Their coaching has been abysmal after Carroll. McElwain is good for UF.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:57 am to cardboardboxer
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No, the problem is Saban will create expectations that no coach following him can match.
Bama fans can today theoretically tell you that they understand that and will give the next guy more rope, but that rope gets frayed when the next guy loses two Iron Bowls in a row or something like that.
It is easy to see the correct path down the mountain when you are on top, but actually walking it is a different story.
OK, I should have said a problem instead of the problem.
I think Bama has the potential to have a bit of a political shitstorm similar to what Texas and USC have had over the past decade.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:58 am to cardboardboxer
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His recruiting sucks compared to previous championship coaches at UF. He is riding Boom's talent in a weak SEC East.
It's the Paul Johnson effect. If you have boring schemes, you better have the charisma and personality to be able to make up for it to attract recruits. Even when Florida wins, McElwain's teams aren't enjoyable to watch at all.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:00 pm to VOLLeyLLama
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And what is the flip side of the coin?
For UF? They are a top tier program who could easily hire a top tier coach.
Look at how Washington is doing as an example.
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You want a Southern Cal situation where there is 5* talent all over the field but haven't been consistent since Cheat Carroll left?
No, but there is a middle ground. USC fricked up their last hire too. They should have never taken the temporary tag off of Clay Helton.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:03 pm to cardboardboxer
They call him 3D chess Saban. He beat the shite out of other coaches, forced other teams to hire coaches they thought could stop him....so they tried his coaching tree. People they thought could bring a semblance of his teaching to their team. Now, they realize that Saban has and will always be the one that runs these teams.
Now, he beats the shite out of those guys because he knows them. It's kind of like playing poker. He started off having the best hand at the table. Now, he has the best hand AND can see everyone else's cards.
Now, he beats the shite out of those guys because he knows them. It's kind of like playing poker. He started off having the best hand at the table. Now, he has the best hand AND can see everyone else's cards.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 12:04 pm
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