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re: myles garrett is the most overrated player in the country
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:28 am to MastrShake
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:28 am to MastrShake
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here are his stats vs P5 teams, when you take away Rice, Lamar, SMU, and ULM
sacks = 0.4 per game
solo tackles = 1.7 per game
assisted tackles = 1.7 per game
forced fumbles = 0 per game
wow. what a bad arse.
all SEC!
He MIGHT have 5 total sacks this season.
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Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:30 am to monsterballads
How come Myles is the only player I ever see on this board who's conference stats are mentioned over and over. What are other star players conference stats? Why aren't they talked about with the same frequency? Does every other player just dominate SEC teams and not do shite against scrubs?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:31 am to Patton
Has Robert Nkemdiche's name been mentioned in this thread yet?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:59 am to Patton
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How come Myles is the only player I ever see on this board who's conference stats are mentioned over and over. What are other star players conference stats? Why aren't they talked about with the same frequency? Does every other player just dominate SEC teams and not do shite against scrubs?
when you take away FCS stats, Derek Barnett actually moves up from 4th in the SEC in sacks per game to 2nd (whereas Myles falls from 1st to 16th). in fact Barnett also broke Clowneys freshman record for sacks (8) except he got 10 against P5 teams compared to Garretts 3.5
Barnett
Ole Miss - 3
South Carolina - 3
Kentucky - 2
Vanderbilt - 1
Florida - 1
Garrett
South Carolina - 1
Mississippi State - 1
Ole Miss - 1
West Virginia - .5
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:00 am to MastrShake
damn...MastrShake dropping some booms in this thread
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:01 am to MastrShake
Who?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:04 am to Choctaw
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damn...MastrShake dropping some booms in this thread
MastrShake treating this thread like La'El treated Myles........Panckake.....Aggie rabble rabble.....Pancake.....
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:06 am to MastrShake
Ok so Barnett is good at rushing the quarterback. What about other players? How was LF in conference? Pharaoh Cooper? Dak? Jamal Adams? Derrick Henry? Leonard Floyd? VH3? Guys who are big time players in this conference. Do they rack up most of their numbers in conference play or against scrubs?
Didn't pro footbal focus do a college edition? Does anyone have a link to that? That may encompass more stats than just sacks.
Didn't pro footbal focus do a college edition? Does anyone have a link to that? That may encompass more stats than just sacks.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:14 am to Patton
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How come Myles is the only player I ever see on this board who's conference stats are mentioned over and over. What are other star players conference stats? Why aren't they talked about with the same frequency? Does every other player just dominate SEC teams and not do shite against scrubs?
Someone should alert the educated people who voted myles all conference that some sweaty, gumbo-swilling poster on tigerdroppings has taken objection based on a breakdown of his sack statistics, and a gif of an OL pushing him backwards after a play had been blown dead.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:16 am to Patton
im not gonna run some algorithm on the history of college football, if thats what you're asking. for one, thats not the point. the point is that garrett is on everyones all-American lists based on beating up a few FCS schools and thats idiotic. thats why the title isnt "myles garrett sucks", its "myles garrett is overrated"
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:18 am to G2160
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Someone should alert the educated people who voted myles all conference that some sweaty, gumbo-swilling poster on tigerdroppings has taken objection based on a breakdown of his sack statistics, and a gif of an OL pushing him backwards after a play had been blown dead.
you cant find a single thing to defend your best player, can you?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:20 am to MastrShake
He's overrated according to you because he preformed better in one stat against sub par teams than he did against good teams. No one ever mentions anyone else's stats split between p5 and non p5 teams because it probably looks a like Myles. At the end of the day, Garrett is really good. To say anything other than that after his true freshman season is being disingenuous. No one is asking you to create an algorithm, I'm not even sure where you got that from, but maybe try a little more inclusive research before you flaunt you football knowledge, which I guess is superior to every person who gave Myles post season accolades.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:23 am to Patton
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What about other players? How was LF in conference? Pharaoh Cooper? Dak? Jamal Adams? Derrick Henry? Leonard Floyd? VH3? Guys who are big time players in this conference
This is a discussion about Myles Garrett and his overratedness (I know that's not a word). His closest comparison is Derek Barnett, a true soph that started as a true freshman at the same position as MG. Evidence shows Barnett does better against tougher competition than Garrett. What does a bunch of offensive players stats have to do with anything?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:25 am to VFL1800FPD
He is gonna have a heck of a year if Lael Collins didnt do any permanent damage to his back. I didnt know a spine could bend that far back and not break, his flexibility is incredible.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:34 am to VFL1800FPD
No he's closest comparison is every DE in the league. People spout off his non p5 vs p5 stats as if it's some shock that he did better against bad teams. Barnett did very well against his conference opponent, which to be fair were probably not as good as Myles'. I'm not knocking Barnett or saying Myles is better. I'm just saying if what Myles did last season is considered overrated for a true freshman in the toughest division in sports, then maybe the definition we are using for overrated is a bit off.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:37 am to Patton
He also played most of his conference games later in the year after it was well documented that he was a freak of nature, and thus faced quite a bit more attention as far as blocking and double teams go. But that's also conveniently ignored
If people double him all year and Daeshon Hall or one of our DTs has a huge year numbers wise people will just use it as more ammo that he's overrated, but whatever
If people double him all year and Daeshon Hall or one of our DTs has a huge year numbers wise people will just use it as more ammo that he's overrated, but whatever
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:54 am to MastrShake
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you cant find a single thing to defend your best player, can you?
2014 consensus freshman AA, freshman all-SEC, 2nd team all-SEC. Played from the 6th game going forward with torn ligaments in hand, missing the mizzou game, including a performance against auburn where he blocked a FG that was returned for a TD. 2015 pre season all-SEC.
Stats, while important, don't always tell the story. They don't count double teams, containing plays, etc... If you watched him all 2014, 2015 preseason all-SEC isn't unreasonable. He may not end up there, but he deserves to start there. In both my- and the the media's opinion.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:55 am to G2160
good lord just let this frickin thread die already
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:59 am to cas4t
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good lord just let this frickin thread die already
If we didn't have this circle jerk, it would just allow room for more def coordinator dick measuring, or some other SECR flavor-of-the-week meme.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:00 am to G2160
Nah, it's game week.
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