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re: More NCAA trouble for Ole Miss?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:17 am to lsufball19
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:17 am to lsufball19
Disclosure: I'm not arguing with you. I simply don't know.
How many of these instances involved conduct that was at least 5 years prior, and how many of these were also under a completely different athletic director and administration?
How many of these instances involved conduct that was at least 5 years prior, and how many of these were also under a completely different athletic director and administration?
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Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:22 am to Whereisomaha
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It is if it happened over 5 years ago. The NCAA has been investigating us for 3 years. They know about this. Their investigation into us, is what led to him getting caught at ULL. Yall keep holding on to hope tho
So, you have no clue how the NCAA actually operates then. Got it.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:23 am to TMRebel
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I believe this is what Ole Miss has been under investigation for over the past year or so, along with the women's basketball program. I have no proof of this or any link, but I do know that we've been under investigation and it coincides with the timeline of this one.
If they want us to forfeit our 2010 season, or any of the seasons this dude had with Orgeron, we will accept our punishment accordingly.
They are already negotiating a 2 year bowl ban. That is what OM is hoping for.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:26 am to RB10
I think we can all agree to disagree on this.
How about things I think everyone can agree on?
1. The Rebels are in the clear and on the rise. The Age of the Black Bear is upon the SEC.
2. LSU is in decline. Currently the entire program is carried on the back of one bad, bad dude.
3. Nick Saban is going to take the USCe job, change his mind at the last minute and take the USCw job. Bama is done.
4. Florida is the real cheater worthy of all our disdain. Had their QB not roided out we would have blown them out.
5. Aggy man love will continue to blossom.
How about things I think everyone can agree on?
1. The Rebels are in the clear and on the rise. The Age of the Black Bear is upon the SEC.
2. LSU is in decline. Currently the entire program is carried on the back of one bad, bad dude.
3. Nick Saban is going to take the USCe job, change his mind at the last minute and take the USCw job. Bama is done.
4. Florida is the real cheater worthy of all our disdain. Had their QB not roided out we would have blown them out.
5. Aggy man love will continue to blossom.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:26 am to TMRebel
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instances involved conduct that was at least 5 years prior, and how many of these were also under a completely different athletic director and administration?
They handed out a pretty harsh penalty to USC in 2010 for violation dating back to Reggie Bush's recruitment. That was 10 years prior.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:28 am to RB10
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So, you have no clue how the NCAA actually operates then. Got it.
Well no, I dont. I just assumed statute of limitations n shite. Enlighten my ignorant arse.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:28 am to TMRebel
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How many of these instances involved conduct that was at least 5 years prior, and how many of these were also under a completely different athletic director and administration?
USC was put on probation in 2010 for conduct that happened in 2004 under a different staff and different administration
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:29 am to RB10
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An eight-month Yahoo! Sports investigation has revealed that Heisman Trophy-winning running back Reggie Bush and his family appear to have accepted financial benefits worth more than $100,000 from marketing agents while Bush was playing at the University of Southern California.
Not his recruitment, but while at USC, which was under the 5 year window.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:31 am to Whereisomaha
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Not his recruitment, but while at USC, which was under the 5 year window.
where is this 5 year window rule in the ncaa rule book?
TIA
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:32 am to lsufball19
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$595.20 in round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland in November 2005 for Bush's stepfather, LaMar Griffin, his mother, Denise Griffin and younger brother to attend the USC-California game at Berkeley. The fees were charged to the credit card of Jamie Fritz, an employee of Ornstein. The document detailing the charges was provided by Lee Pfeifer, an estranged business associate of Ornstein's.
$250.65 for limousine transportation from the Oakland airport to the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco that November weekend for the Bush family, charged to Fritz, according to a document. Ornstein acknowledged both he and Bush's family stayed at the luxury hotel.
Additionally, New Jersey memorabilia dealer Bob DeMartino alleges that Ornstein provided:
Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother to wear during the Dec. 10, 2005 Heisman ceremony in New York, a makeover for his mother for the event and limousine transportation;
Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family.
Documents and multiple sources also link Bush and his family to receiving benefits from New Era's financial backers, including:
$623.63 for a hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from March 11-13, 2005, charged to Michaels, according to a document signed by Bush.
$1,574.86 for a stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego from March 4-6, 2005, paid for by Michaels, according to a hotel document, a hotel employee and a source.
Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car, three sources said.
As reported by Yahoo! Sports in April, $54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif., according to Michaels and San Diego attorney Brian Watkins.
Also from previous Yahoo! reports, $28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt, according to Michaels and Watkins.
Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents, according to multiple sources.
They got their penalty in 2010. Notice how nothing goes back further than 5 years
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:33 am to lsufball19
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he NCAA's four-year statute of limitations doesn't apply when there is a pattern of willful violations that continues into the past four
years. In the Miami case, the NCAA could investigate back to early 2002, which is when former booster Nevin Shapiro, now serving 20 years in federal prison for his
role in a $930 million Ponzi scheme, alleged in a Yahoo! Sports article
this week that he began providing Hurricanes players
with cash, prostitutes, cars and other gifts.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:35 am to Whereisomaha
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Not his recruitment, but while at USC, which was under the 5 year window.
His last season was 2005. That's 6 years prior to the penalty being handed out. Keep telling yourself the NCAA has a self imposed 5 year limitation. I'm sure you convinced yourself that Tunsil wasn't going to miss time either.
The NCAA is arbitrary as frick. You never know what kind of dumb shite they are going to dredge up to hand out penalties to try and keep up the facade that they actively work to prevent cheating.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 9:37 am
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:36 am to Whereisomaha
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One of the interesting aspects of this case is whether the NCAA’s statute of limitations will be triggered. A statute of limitations sets the maximum time after an event that proceedings based on that event may be initiated. The NCAA’s statute of limitations reads as follows:
“NCAA 32.6.3 Statute of Limitations: Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into the matter. However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation:
(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;
(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and
(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter.”
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:37 am to Whereisomaha
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Whereisomaha
“NCAA 32.6.3 Statute of Limitations: Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into the matter. However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation:
(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;
(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and
(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter.
basically, their SOL don't mean shite. the ncaa leaves themselves a loophole for any and every scenario. not sure why anyone expects the ncaa to ever use precedent in making their decisions. it's not like they have a track record of doing so
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:38 am to RB10
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This isn't how it works.
It's certainly not how it's supposed to work.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:38 am to RB10
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Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and
This is where the NCAA can be "arbitrary as frick".
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:39 am to RB10
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The NCAA is arbitrary as frick
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:43 am to lsufball19
Who says message boards cant be informative. Anyways, the NCAA has investigated this as I said. We fired Saunders and put the NCAA on him. I am not worried because there would be smoke on our end after the NCAA investigated it for the past 3 years. I know it is not a law, but the fact that we have a completely different staff and AD means that the acts at least could appear they did not continue. Be honest, do yall really think we are in trouble here or are you just trolling.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:43 am to Whereisomaha
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This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:45 am to Wanderin Reb
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All that shite happened under a different HC and a different AD. There's no reason they would penalize the current administration.
Oh son. No sorry that is wrong.
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