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re: Mike Bellotti: I don't consider programs that fire three coaches in a row to be top jobs
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:48 am to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:48 am to Tuscaloosa
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And keep in mind this isn't about comparing UT to Oklahoma. Oklahoma finishes with the top ranked recruiting class in the Big 12 more times than not. UT is averaging middle of the pack in the SEC. Prospective coaches know they're going to have to recruit against Bama, Florida, UGA, etc... in their own state.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but
1. An Elite Coach will get elite recruits, regardless of location.
2. We have, iirc, the largest recruiting budget in the conference. We've always had this, because we've always had to recruit nationally. Lyle gets praised for his recruiting, but honestly, if it hadn't been for legacy commits, and the monstrous budget he has to work with, he wouldn't have had very good classes.
3. Instate talent is improving every year, especially in the mid-state. 20+ 4* or better prospects in the 2019 class so far. The state has NEVER had HS talent like this before.
It'll never be on the level of Florida, Georgia, Louisiana or Texas. But it's not gonna be a joke like it was a mere 5 years ago.
4. Facilities rival anyone in the Nation. Do you even Juice Bar, bro?
5. Tradition- While not as important or recognizable as it used to be, it's still a factor. People can make jokes about the last 10 years all they want, and we've more than earned the ridicule, but anyone with half a brain knows that Tennessee is a historically top 10-15 program. (Here come the trolls.
) What I'm saying is, recruiting is NOT gonna be an issue that scares coaches away. There's many other things that would, but crootin isn't on the list.
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:02 am to TxTiger82
Wrong, Tigger! Fran ran to aTm, not even the decency to speak to players and let them know. And Bebes Stalling retired, period. Bebes retired for family reasons, mostly John Mark, his son with Downs Syndrome. Hate Bama all ya want, but get your facts straight. RT. Beat Tennersee like a rented mule!!!!
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:10 am to 4Ghost
UT's in-state recruiting is quickly changing for the better. The Nashville area has exploded with people and money. Both are needed for HS player development. Don't know if the fire is there, but the other ingredients are. OTOH, like Atlanta, the loyalty to the state school is not as strong because of so many transplants.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:12 am to 4Ghost
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Barfield, Dye, Bowden, Tubs, Chizik, and Gus will be 6 in a row. Dayyyum!
You're right. Jesus! 
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:19 am to Bench McElroy
It was a really bad idea for them to switch to the Big 10. Like most schools, their conference is tied to their identity. For one, recruiting Texas had to become much more difficult with the move. They have lost all of their historical rivals (Oklahoma and Colorado used to be huge games 20 to 30 years ago) and have had to try to create new ones with teams like Iowa and Wisconsin. If I'm a long time Nebraska fan or grad, that would have been a difficult pill to swallow.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:19 am to TxTiger82
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Gonna disagree with you there. There are so many CFB players that the NFL doesn't have to waste time on undeveloped or underdeveloped talent.
That's complete nonsense. That's what the 5th-7th round of the draft is for as well as undrafted free agency.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:24 am to SouthOfHere
quote:Nor Notre Dame, Michigan or Texas.
I guess USC isn’t a top job
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:27 am to CharlotteSooner
Southern Cal?
Ohio State? Tressel "resigned" I guess
Ohio State? Tressel "resigned" I guess
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:19 am to Prof
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We've passed more than one SEC state
Uhhh... congrats? The state of Tennessee is right on par with Mississippi in regards to production of 4 & 5* talent.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:55 am to Bench McElroy
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Good news for Tennessee fans. If they fire Butch, they will only have fired their last two coaches. Still a top job.
Fulmer
Kiffen
Dooley
Jones
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that equal four?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:58 am to Tuscaloosa
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Tuscaloosa
By all means, completely ignore my rational post. Great work as usual
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:59 am to majoredinwhitehorse
They didn’t fire Kiffin. He ditched them in the middle of the night to take the USC job. The city almost burned. 
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:01 am to Vols&Shaft83
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By all means, completely ignore my rational post. Great work as usual
Dammit boy, I haven’t ignored anything. It was a well thought out post with a lot of factual information - most of which I have no argument against. You gonna have to let me at least finish this cup of coffee before I respond to that long arse post.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:01 am to majoredinwhitehorse
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Fulmer
Kiffen
Dooley
Jones
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that equal four?
Oh, I wasn't aware that we fired Kiffin. Could have sworn that he fricked us in the arse and left us bleeding in the moonlight
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:11 am to Tuscaloosa
TN has to compete with MSU in the western part of the state... east TN football and north carolina do not produce like GA does and there they are recruiting against UGA, Auburn, Bama, and even MSU. We are about to steal an OL from them because of coaching turnover. Every SEC has facilities that are on par with each other. Traditions are only relevant when you've been successful in the last 10 years. These kids are 16-18. They don't remember Tee Martin and Peyton Manning. Much less 4 different coaching staffs
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:47 am to Vols&Shaft83
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1. An Elite Coach will get elite recruits, regardless of location.
I agree, an elite recruiter will get elite recruits.
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2. We have, iirc, the largest recruiting budget in the conference. We've always had this, because we've always had to recruit nationally. Lyle gets praised for his recruiting, but honestly, if it hadn't been for legacy commits, and the monstrous budget he has to work with, he wouldn't have had very good classes.
I have assumed UT has to have a larger recruiting budget than most because of the amount of travel required to get to those elite players in neighboring states.
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3. Instate talent is improving every year, especially in the mid-state. 20+ 4* or better prospects in the 2019 class so far. The state has NEVER had HS talent like this before.
This past year’s recruiting cycle was definitely better than years past. I’m curious as to how long it stays that way. Traditionally, Tennessee high school football has been pretty meh aside from a couple of state powers.
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4. Facilities rival anyone in the Nation. Do you even Juice Bar, bro?
UT has done a great job of upgrading their facilities. Very nice.
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5. Tradition- While not as important or recognizable as it used to be, it's still a factor. People can make jokes about the last 10 years all they want, and we've more than earned the ridicule, but anyone with half a brain knows that Tennessee is a historically top 10-15 program.
While this doesn’t hurt, I think the impact for UT will be minimal, as today’s high school seniors weren’t alive the last time UT won an SEC Championship. I do believe UT can benefit from the recent performances of people like Eric Berry and Peyton Manning in the NFL.
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What I'm saying is, recruiting is NOT gonna be an issue that scares coaches away. There's many other things that would, but crootin isn't on the list.
The only argument I’ve made is that UT’s “recruiting bed” will not be a strong point or “pro” on the list of pros & cons for any elite coach considering coming to UT. While the talent level in state has gotten better, it still isn’t on the same level as states like Florida, Georgia, or Alabama - and those are the 3 teams this new coach is going to have to be competitive against in order to be successful.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:55 am to Tuscaloosa
Bout time
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:18 pm to Bench McElroy
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Mike Bellotti
We don't consider Phil Knight's cock holster to be an authority on the hiring/firing practices of College Football
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:19 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Saban will retire. Smart will be successful and stay a long time. When Saban retires, Smart will become the top coach in the conference and will win a NC.
If this happens would bama fans want to go after Dabo or Kirby? Kirby was plan A, spend a few seasons at SC then take the Bama job when Saban retires, then we snatched him.
Dabo would be a great hire but I have a gut feeling that Smart will grow into a better HC than Dabo.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:51 pm to jcolding41
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If this happens would bama fans want to go after Dabo or Kirby? Kirby was plan A, spend a few seasons at SC then take the Bama job when Saban retires, then we snatched him.
Dabo would be a great hire but I have a gut feeling that Smart will grow into a better HC than Dabo.
I actually think Kirby would provide a much smoother transition for us. There wouldn’t be a culture change, very little staff turnover, and recruiting wouldn’t skip a beat. If I had to choose between the two, I’d definitely take Kirby. I just don’t think that’s a viable option.
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