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Measure depth by impact of recruiting class

Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:02 am
Posted by jddawg58
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:02 am
Saban has recruited a top 5 class in each of the last several years. The 2011 class had 3 5* recruits, but none had a difference-making impact on this year's team, because of the existing talent.

The 3 5* recruits were

1)Hasean Clinton-Dix (S). He had Mark Barron, a Senior All American and Thorpe Award finalist ahead of him. He was also playing behind Robert Lester, a junior who is a highly rated NFL draft prospect. HCD only made it on the field for special teams and mop up duty.

2)Cyrus Kouandjio OT. He made the most meaningful contribution, playing LT behind Barrett Jones, Outland Tropy winner. CK played a lot of meaningful snaps prior to suffering a season ending knee injury. He looks to emerge as next year's starting LT.

3)Demetrius Hart RB. Dee was getting reps as a RB when he suffered a knee injury before the first game. He looked to be one of our return specialists. He was almost certainly going to make a meaningful contribution before his injury. However, he was behind Heisman finalist Trent Richardson and Eddie Lacy.

4)Vinnie Sunseri, a 3* safety has made the most important contribution to this year's team. He was a headhunter on the kick-off,Kick-off return, punt, and punt return teams. He played in some of our nickel and dime packages, and played most of the Auburn game when Barron was injured.


Despite a top 5 recruiting class no freshman broke into the starting line-up. This year's team loses 17 scholarship seniors and 3-5 draft eligible juniors. More playing time will be up for grabs for the 2012 class.

I dare say that the same class would have produced several starters at 75% of the other schools in the country. This class would have produced several starters at Ala just 5 years ago.

The fact that Saban is not forced to play freshmen before they are ready
just shows the depth of talent at Alabama. That there were three national award finalists occupying the positions that these three 5*s play just shows the depth of talent at ALABAMA.

The scary part is that this year's class has a chance to be special.

Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:05 am to
tl;dr
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:05 am to
Posted by LaBornNRaised
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:24 am to
You are putting way too much emphasis on star rankings. Js
Posted by ksayetiger
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:27 am to
quote:

I dare say that the same class would have produced several starters at 75% of the other schools in the country.


i dare say no one gives a shite about your predictions
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:28 am to
By god..... Print the fricking shirts!
Posted by JackTheTiger
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:30 am to
quote:

LaBornNRaised

+1

I mean Mathieu was a 4 star with major offers from two schools...
Posted by JackTheTiger
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:31 am to
quote:

LaBornNRaised

+1

I mean Mathieu was a 4 star with major offers from two schools...

Point is, talent evaluation isn't always spot on.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:32 am to
Well, Vinnie Sunseri was listed in the OP's post. His only other major offer was Pitt.
Posted by jddawg58
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:34 am to
quote:

You are putting way too much emphasis on star rankings. Js


5* recruits are supposed to be able to play right away, as freshmen. At Alabama they didn't, not because they were not talented, but because there were national award winning finalists occupying those positions.

It is hard to beat out a Heisman trophy finalist, Thorpe Award finalist, or Outland trophy winner when you are a true freshman.

Talent is stacked up like planes at the Atlanta airport. You just have to get in the pattern and wait your turn. I am not sure how Saban convinces so many talented guys to come and compete for playing time. I guess he sells championships and NFL preparation.
Posted by AMM AU9893
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:35 am to
I did not mean to interrupt the circle jerk. I'm sorry CapstoneGrad
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 12:48 am
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:37 am to
Get this logic bullshite outta here
Posted by JackTheTiger
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:38 am to
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:40 am to
What do AU's struggles have to do with Alabama? I thought the point of the thread was to illustrate that Alabama has gotten to a point where highly regarded prospects can ease into the program. Three of more year ago most of the 2011 class would have played. This year only six true freshman saw playing time. None had a major impact for the entire course of the season.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:41 am to
Why did you respond to me?
Posted by JackTheTiger
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:43 am to
I'm new
Posted by chilld28
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:45 am to
quote:

I'm new
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:46 am to
Because you were responding to the Auburn fan that brought that into the thread.
Posted by jddawg58
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:47 am to
quote:

Alabama has gotten to a point where highly regarded prospects can ease into the program. Three of more year ago most of the 2011 class would have played. This year only six true freshman saw playing time. None had a major impact for the entire course of the season.


A recruiting class that ranked in the top 5 nationally produced only a marginal amount of playing time for a few signees and little meaningful contribution to the team's efforts to compete for a national championship. A program cannot sustain success until it reaches that level of depth.

Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 12/27/11 at 12:47 am to
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