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Maybe CTE isn't the death knell to football we thought it was
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:58 pm to phil4bama
It won't remain remain a mystery much longer.
Not able to give you a timetable, but techniques to measure CTE non-invasively are being developed.
Then we can run as many studies as anyone wants, and settle whatever questions there are on the issue.
But in the meantime...
I am the main man.
If I had a son, he would be the main man after me.
Neither the main man, or the main man's son risks his precious brain (it's the only thing that separates us from people that live in Alabama) in any risky endeavor that frankly will never give us a Stanford education or Tom Brady's contract/hot wife. If it did, I'd have to consider it.
Now you or your son might think differently.
Not able to give you a timetable, but techniques to measure CTE non-invasively are being developed.
Then we can run as many studies as anyone wants, and settle whatever questions there are on the issue.
But in the meantime...
I am the main man.
If I had a son, he would be the main man after me.
Neither the main man, or the main man's son risks his precious brain (it's the only thing that separates us from people that live in Alabama) in any risky endeavor that frankly will never give us a Stanford education or Tom Brady's contract/hot wife. If it did, I'd have to consider it.
Now you or your son might think differently.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:02 pm to Sunbeam
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I am the main man.
If I had a son, he would be the main man after me.
Neither the main man, or the main man's son risks his precious brain (it's the only thing that separates us from people that live in Alabama) in any risky endeavor that frankly will never give us a Stanford education or Tom Brady's contract/hot wife. If it did, I'd have to consider it.
Now you or your son might think differently
this is a really weird/roundabout way of saying something very simple
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:04 pm to phil4bama
Football has aleays been a very tough sport, but it is safer now than it ever has been. I'm sure it will continue to become safer as we learn more.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:07 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Is this your first time reading a Carolina poster?
this is a really weird/roundabout way of saying something very simple
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:08 pm to LouisvilleKat
Its hard to find a picture that explains the Carolina drawl speech pattern. Foghorn will have to do.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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this is a really weird/roundabout way of saying something very simple
An attempt at humor. Hyperbole to emphasize a simple point: "You first."
I got more. Lesseee, you from Minnesota? I understand why ya don't get the joke. No comedians from Minnesota.
Wait that Louis Anderson guy, he was one of you right?
Jesus. All this time, and that's all you guys managed in the humor department?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:15 pm to Sunbeam
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An attempt at humor. Hyperbole to emphasize a simple point: "You first."
I got more. Lesseee, you from Minnesota? I understand why ya don't get the joke. No comedians from Minnesota.
Wait that Louis Anderson guy, he was one of you right?
Jesus. All this time, and that's all you guys managed in the humor department?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:18 pm to phil4bama
Like too many things in this country, the impact of CTE will be determined by lawyers.
Re-visit this issue after the first organization loses a class-action suit and cuts a billion-with-a-B dollar check
Re-visit this issue after the first organization loses a class-action suit and cuts a billion-with-a-B dollar check
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:22 pm to phil4bama
I wonder how much he got paid by the NFL to write this article.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:24 pm to Sunbeam
quote:
An attempt at humor. Hyperbole to emphasize a simple point: "You first."
I got more. Lesseee, you from Minnesota? I understand why ya don't get the joke. No comedians from Minnesota.
Wait that Louis Anderson guy, he was one of you right?
Jesus. All this time, and that's all you guys managed in the humor department?
Check this guy for CTE.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:32 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Like too many things in this country, the impact of CTE will be determined by lawyers.
Re-visit this issue after the first organization loses a class-action suit and cuts a billion-with-a-B dollar check
Yup. Maybe. Like I said above we are going to need non-intrusive testing so we can test current and living ex-players to settle things. But that will do it.
But:
LINK
From that link:
A study recently published in the Journal of American Medicine details disturbing results from neurological analyses of 202 deceased football players’ brains. In their lifetimes, these players had reached different levels of football—pre-high school (two players), high school (14), college (53), semi-pro (14), the Canadian Football League (8) and the NFL (111).
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The study detected CTE at distressingly prevalent levels. Of the 202 brains analyzed, 177 (88%) showed CTE. Of particular concern, 48 of the 53 college players’ brains (91%) and 110 of the 111 (99%) NFL players’ brains exhibited CTE."
Now these subjects all had a common feature: They were dead for various reasons.
"A random sample, however, is not realistic. Researchers’ legal capacity to conduct a post-mortem study of a football player’s brain is contingent on the consent of either the donor while he was alive or his family. To require a random sample for a CTE study would be to impose an impossible demand.
But even with selection bias, the study’s results are hard to dismiss. The fact is, 111 former NFL players’ brains amounts to a sizable sample, even if it may be skewed and not random. For 110 of those brains to show CTE is the latest evidence of the serious risks of neurological injury from playing in the NFL.
CTE’s absence from the NFL concussion settlement
The results are particularly worrisome because CTE is not a recognized condition under the concussion class action settlement reached between the NFL and more than 20,000 retired NFL players."
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:33 pm to dbeck
Brevity is the soul of wit
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:36 pm to Sunbeam
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it's the only thing that separates us from people that live in Alabama
Says the USC fan?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:37 pm to Sunbeam
Lol.
They tested 111 brains that were already suspected of having CTE.
In science this is a giant fallacy.
It's like if I tested 111 people who died of cancer for cancer and didn't test anyone else.
They tested 111 brains that were already suspected of having CTE.
In science this is a giant fallacy.
It's like if I tested 111 people who died of cancer for cancer and didn't test anyone else.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:37 pm to phil4bama
MsState is working on building a safer helmet right now. Dak Prescott will endorse it and America and Football will be great again.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:38 pm to Sunbeam
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It won't remain remain a mystery much longer.
Not able to give you a timetable, but techniques to measure CTE non-invasively are being developed.
Then we can run as many studies as anyone wants, and settle whatever questions there are on the issue.
But in the meantime...
I am the main man.
If I had a son, he would be the main man after me.
Neither the main man, or the main man's son risks his precious brain (it's the only thing that separates us from people that live in Alabama) in any risky endeavor that frankly will never give us a Stanford education or Tom Brady's contract/hot wife. If it did, I'd have to consider it.
Now you or your son might think differently.
My "son" has a vagina, so no, she won't be playing football either. But if she had balls, I'd let her play. I do believe there's something to CTE, but like the author, I think it is sensationalized at this point. How many hits result in any brain trauma, until you get to high level high school and college athletes? There are some, but it doesn't even happen in every game in high school. I played ball from peewee through high school and I can count on one hand the number of times I was stunned mentally by a hit. It takes certain circumstances to contribute to head injuries, like players having a running start at each other and colliding in space. Conditions that have been made more prevalent by the tilting of the rules to favor wide open spread type passing attacks where the object is to get athletes in clear space. So maybe we ought to look at those rules just as much as we look at making rules for targeting. It's a lot harder to have a high speed collision when football is played via 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
Worst concussion I ever got was playing football...as an adult with no pads in an accidental collision. If we had had helmets on, we'd have laughed and walked away. As it was, I needed stitches and we both had concussions but it was from heads hitting without helmets. My point is, football has gotten safer over the years, not more dangerous, until we started taking bigger stronger faster players and started spreading them out so there was more energy in the collisions. All in the name of more offense, more points, more entertainment. Before we go off the deep end and ban the sport, maybe we should consider what has been done to it.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:38 pm to phil4bama
New neck brace that pinches the neck and adds extra blood around the brain is going to stop all the concussions. Luke Kuechly is wearing one this year. They got the idea from the woodpecker. Bird hammers away on a tree 12,000 times a day and never gets a concussion.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:38 pm to phil4bama
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media's sensationalism of CTE.
It's the medias MO. Theres no question there's an agenda there. Hell there was a movie within six months of it being an issue.
The way CTE has been portrayed, it would seem our heads are so fragile we should wear kickboxing headgear everywhere for fear of bumping our heads or falling. We evolved to hunt mammoths and beat the shite out of each other with our fists. Biology doesn't usually equip us with such fragility.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:41 pm to Sunbeam
Guess who didn't read either the story in the OP or the study about which they posted.
When you test people you think had a brain disease and find a brain disease, don't act shocked. Hell, the people that did the study said it shouldn't be considered proof of anything because it wasn't a good sample set at all. Of course, that's meaningless to media members, most of whom can't spell CTE.
When you test people you think had a brain disease and find a brain disease, don't act shocked. Hell, the people that did the study said it shouldn't be considered proof of anything because it wasn't a good sample set at all. Of course, that's meaningless to media members, most of whom can't spell CTE.
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