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Manziel and Stabler Comparison
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:40 pm
Both drunks, both talented, both fast at one time before Stabler's many injuries. Stabler couldn't play a game without a few drinks, bro.
He lived in nightclubs and bars and the NFL thought it was cute. It was his brand and he lived it to the maximum.
Hell, Stabler might as well have made a song with Jimmy Buffett. I don't think anyone ever dared to ask him to not party.
Poor 'ole Manziel, he can't even drink a beer on his back porch without it literally being front page news on ESPN.
I wish it was a little more like it was back in the 60's and 70's, as far as invasion of personal privacy goes. They let you do your own thing back then as long as you didn't create a disturbance for the team.
If bitchy reporters could just let people have private lives, things would be a lot better. Like back when Kennedy was getting tail from every starlet in Hollywood, it never made the news even though every single reporter in town knew about it. It didn't become common knowledge until a decade after his death. Can't have that type of respect and privacy for anyone today.
He lived in nightclubs and bars and the NFL thought it was cute. It was his brand and he lived it to the maximum.
Hell, Stabler might as well have made a song with Jimmy Buffett. I don't think anyone ever dared to ask him to not party.
Poor 'ole Manziel, he can't even drink a beer on his back porch without it literally being front page news on ESPN.
I wish it was a little more like it was back in the 60's and 70's, as far as invasion of personal privacy goes. They let you do your own thing back then as long as you didn't create a disturbance for the team.
If bitchy reporters could just let people have private lives, things would be a lot better. Like back when Kennedy was getting tail from every starlet in Hollywood, it never made the news even though every single reporter in town knew about it. It didn't become common knowledge until a decade after his death. Can't have that type of respect and privacy for anyone today.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 11:44 pm
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:42 pm to A Lite
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:51 pm to texag7
Posted on 3/29/16 at 9:53 pm to A Lite
Stabler came to California with his own Southern style of relaxing.
Lower Alabama beach rats and California surfer dudes got along okay. Stabler wasn't awed by the ocean or the babes in bikinis in Cali; he had lived that lifestyle since birth in Gulf Shores, Pensacola, Foley, Mobile, etc... That impressed the natives.
Stabler loved hanging out on the Gulf Coast beaches like a crab or something, always with a few friends from his area. He was one of those that was always in a bar, in the water, or at the party and knew everyone.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:00 pm to A Lite
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Manziel
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talented
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:06 pm to logjamming
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talented
I mean, he can run and sometimes make a few good passes. He may improve if allowed to play.
Stabler sat some too.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:06 pm to texag7
That moron can not be compared to an all-pro like Stabler !
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:06 pm to logjamming
Where's your Heisman?
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:07 pm to A Lite
Biggest difference, among many, is Stabler was a very successful NFL quarterback.
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:07 pm to Rockbrc
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Biggest difference, among many, is Stabler was a very successful NFL quarterback.
he didn't play at first
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:18 pm to A Lite
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Biggest difference, among many, is Stabler was a very successful NFL quarterback.
he didn't play at first
Because he was behind an All-Pro. Franco Harris's "Immaculate Reception", after the Snake came off the bench to replace Lamonica and gave the Raiders the lead in the divisional playoff, delayed Stabler's replacing Lamonica as the starter by a few months instead of a week.
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:20 pm to BamaGradinTn
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d Stabler's replacing Lamonica as the starter by a few months instead of a week.
Stabler didn't really play until the beginning of his starting season. The Immaculate Reception game was just a peek at what was to come for Stabler.
Stabler was a champion, no doubt. But, maybe Manziel will be too once he signs with a quality team.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:25 pm to A Lite
Maybe
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:28 pm to A Lite
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But, maybe Manziel will be too once he signs with a quality team.
The real question isn't about comparisons or talent. It's about how badly Manziel wants to be a great NFL QB. It seems quite possible he might not have the drive to put in the hours and effort necessary to make it in the pros. It's a completely different game from college in many, many ways. Nothing wrong with that. Everybody gets to make their own choices in this life.
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:31 pm to randomways
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The real question isn't about comparisons or talent. It's about how badly Manziel wants to be a great NFL QB. It seems quite possible he might not have the drive to put in the hours and effort necessary to make it in the pros. It's a completely different game from college in many, many ways. Nothing wrong with that. Everybody gets to make their own choices in this life.
No comment on the dichotomy of Stabler's pat on the back acceptance of his drunkenness by the owners and how players are treated today for going to a nightclub or dating more than one girl.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:41 pm to A Lite
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No comment on the dichotomy of Stabler's pat on the back acceptance of his drunkenness by the owners and how players are treated today for going to a nightclub or dating more than one girl.
What's for me to comment on? That's irrelevant. If Stabler put in the effort to be a great NFL quarterback while partying his arse off, he was making his priorities clear. The list of pros who flamed out while partying, doing drugs, and blowing off training is extensive. Stabler wasn't one of those. Using him as an example without acknowledging that plenty of NFL players in the same circumstances never made it is disingenuous. Will Manziel make it? I have no idea. That depends entirely on him. My point is simply that comparing the two isn't as straightforward as you are making it.
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:46 pm to randomways
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My point is simply that comparing the two isn't as straightforward as you are making it.
Seemingly we can agree that Stabler didn't play his few couple of seasons either. So, I truly believe Manziel will straighten up, I guess he has to nowadays, and never drink or smoke or date slutty women.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:57 pm to A Lite
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Seemingly we can agree that Stabler didn't play his few couple of seasons either. So, I truly believe Manziel will straighten up, I guess he has to nowadays, and never drink or smoke or date slutty women.
You're still being disingenuous, though. Perhaps not deliberately, but it still comes across like that. I don't even pay much attention to the drama in Cleveland and even I know that the biggest issues involved him lying, blowing off injury rehab, and ignoring mandatory in-season standards set for all players, not just him. The front office regarded him as unreliable and lacking in professionalism. They didn't give a damn whether he drank or dated slutty women. They cared about whether he was taking care of business as an employee. Lots of NFL players drink and date slutty women, and just so long as these things don't interfere with what's expected of them as players, their teams don't make a fuss about it. There's a lot more to the job than just showing up on Sundays, and that goes double for anyone aspiring to be a starting QB. Stabler clearly did what was necessary. The complaint about Manziel seems to be that he's not doing so.
Manziel can certainly come back from all this. It's just not entirely clear to me right now that he particularly wants to, at least not on the NFL's terms. And if he doesn't, again, that's his choice. He comes from money. It's not like he's ruining his life or anything. (I've heard about that relative -- an uncle? -- that thinks he's an addict, but I've heard no proof of that. If he is, then that's a real problem.)
Posted on 3/29/16 at 11:28 pm to randomways
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And if he doesn't, again, that's his choice. He comes from money. It's not like he's ruining his life or anything. (I've heard about that relative -- an uncle? -- that thinks he's an addict, but I've heard no proof of that. If he is, then that's a real problem.)
His folks are worth 50 million. Johnny was always a little rich boy but, a drunk one. Hell, if my parents had that kind of money, I may even drink a little and do something really dangerous like smoke a joint. He isn't an addict of anything but that sweet, sweet nectar of the Gods.
If Johnny doesn't have his 10 o'clock, 2 o'clock, 6 o'clock, and 10 0'clock and 12 0'clock 4 finger deep shots of bourbon, he gets irritable and snotty.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 3/29/16 at 11:49 pm to A Lite
Like I said earlier....he's a moron...lol
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