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Jacknola
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Member since May 2013
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LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
What is sad is that this loss may truly herald the end of an era on SECr. It may cause a diminution of the delusion of some of the LSU fan base that have entertained us for years. Imagine a SECr without LSU fan declarations of "eight first round draft picks.. lock," or "Heisman this player" ..., or or "Refs cheated us," or "REC," or even "we almost beat Bama, should have won?" Imagine a SECr LSU fan base that posts like... say ... Vanderbilt fans? The prospect is depressing.

For LSU: The Good; the Bad; the Ugly.

There are a number of facets to LSU’s crushing defeat by MSU.

GOOD:

Nothing – perhaps there was a lesson learned about entitlement and humility to both team and fans.

BAD: It was an epic game in its badness. Every weakness that knowledgeable observers knew existed pre-season were exposed.

Defense - front 7 pushed around like lightweights by a cobbled together MSU OL that had only two starters return from last year. The LBs were shown to be below SEC average; the front 3-4 were weak and played “lite” as they did last year; not to mention zero depth. The secondary showed the youth and inexperience that was feared.

Offense - OL either had a bad game or are as average a group as was feared, both in protection and run blocking. The QB was not a game changer as we knew, but given the failure up front, was just plain pedestrian. The RBs may be powerful, but are slow … could not get to edge, consistently racked up for nothing.

Coaching – In the BYU game I wondered WTF is all that stupid shifting? I get the impression more time in practice was spent learning shifts than learning to block. OT and OGs shifting, shifting back and forth like they were Crawdad high school… this crap wore out the OL by making them constantly run. And then they never seemed to get set and block during the actual play. This may be fine for touch football but it doesn’t work in the SEC. Shift-shift-shift then hand off in two hole? It didn’t fool anybody in the stands so how could it fool anyone on the field? It is bush little league crap.

And the D? What you get when you play a 3-4 one-gap is hyper aggression into certain holes. And if you guess wrong? Guess what...

UGLY:

Coaching failures – did not have team ready, plan was poor, no adjustment. This head coach reminds me of Mike Ditka, Saints, hired essentially by a full press public relations push by Buddy Diliberto. Ditka thought football games were won by bad arse aggression and emotions, not plan and thought. Other teams would look at the Saints alignments and literally laugh when he was coach. Everyone is laughing now at LSU.

Terrible discipline and unity - Is anyone surprised? Reference Wisconsin game last year and the terrible personal foul in the closing moments shown over and over on national TV. Reference the Florida game last year when it was shown the inmates were running the asylum before the game? This failure of unity and discipline has plagued LSU since Perreloux was recruited… but this year it is rampant - and I think it reflects the personality of the head coach. Those third quarter ejections were the result of the only “adjustment” I could see at halftime…a directive to get “more physical.” All it did was blacken the eye of the whole program.
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Quit - The progressive collapse of the effort was in contrast to the unity and motivation of MSU.

Culture - This team has a culture that is me first oriented. I don't know what can change that. It doesn't just hurt performance it hurts every facet including recruiting.

I know many die hard but thoughtful LSU fans who were realistic about this team. But on SECr the crapola that spills over from the Tr causes any questioning to be treated as treason and hate. Perhaps the end of that automatic Taliban-like reaction can be regarded as "good."
This post was edited on 9/18 at 1:13 am


CarolinaGamecock99
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Imagine a SECr without LSU fan declarations of "eight first round draft picks.. lock," or "Heisman this player" ..., or or "Refs cheated us," or "REC," or even "we almost beat Bama, should have won?"


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PorkRoast
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Member since Sep 2015
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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It may cause a diminution of the delusion of some of the LSU fan base that have entertained us for years.


Don't bank on it.


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airfernando
USA Fan
Member since Oct 2015
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Culture - This team has a culture that is me first oriented. I don't know what can change that. It doesn't just hurt performance it hurts every facet including recruiting.

why the random comment on bama


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DyeHardDylan
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
I feel their pain. We thought we could do better than Tubs in 2008 and hired a coach with 5-19 record. Maybe Ed will find his Cam Newton.


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MButterfly
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Cracking
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Aug 2006
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Agree with almost everything but this:

quote:

perhaps there was a lesson learned about entitlement and humility to both team and fans.



LSU fans feel like we have the athletes and facilities to compete for championships, but understand the reality of the SEC and programs in our own SECw. No easy task. And from a Bama fan the words entitlement and humility are rich in irony.

I truly thought the team was better just with the players and new offensive coordinator, but was absolutely wrong. If you don't think LSU has the athletes to compete with anybody, you're crazy. The problem is discipline which was lacking big time. Any adversity would create a lack of effort until there was some type of reset, but then the next bit of adversity would hit and the effort would stop again. LSU looks built on emotion as you said, and the Xs and Os take a back seat... technique is out the window to depend on ability. It's a problem that existed under Miles and hasn't improved at all with O.

Sad that LSU looks to be set back a decade like Tennessee towards the end of the Fulmer era or even worse like Miami. LSU's AD and the process to hire O is baffling to me. I knew it was horrible, but wanted to believe the coordinator hire would make the difference.

Penalties and bad technique/mistakes have been obvious since BYU and haven't improved.


Sun God
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Do you and cajunbama ever get together and jack each other off over LSU lowlights?


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MButterfly
Army Fan
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Agree with almost everything but this:

quote:
perhaps there was a lesson learned about entitlement and humility to both team and fans.


LSU fans feel like



And this is what the op is talking about


PillageUrVillage
LSU Fan
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
6503 posts

re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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What is sad is that this loss may truly herald the end of an era on SECr


Don't count on it.

And while the MSU game was a terrible showing by LSU, I'll wait to see how the team bounces back (if they do) before I put us in the same category as Vanderbilt. Yes, there was a whole lot of bad in that game. It certainly doesn't give a lot of optimism for LSU fans. But it was one game. I'll wait to see what happens next.


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Cracking
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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And this is what the op is talking about


What?

Feeling like you have facilities and athletes to compete for championships =/= entitlement or require a dose of humility.

I think the classic entitlement and know-it-all attitude of Bama fans can't understand this because of the lack of respect shown for every other program. LSU has been a championship caliber program since 2000, but unfortunately we are trending down FAST since Bama hired Saban. It was truly the worst possible thing that could've happened to LSU's program.


phil4bama
Alabama Fan
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Member since Jul 2011
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
O's successes are built on emotion. He thinks motivation overcomes all else in planning and strategy. The great coaches tell their teams "weather the storm" that the first 5 minutes of emotion generates. Then the emotion is gone, played out. Then what? That is why O will always be more successful in the big games especially as an underdog and less so when he is playing a team he's supposed to beat. He was obviously very wary of State, but at the same time, State didn't excite or motivate him or the team or the fans. They expected a tough game, but one in which they were just superior in and they played that way. When adversity hit, it was devastating to their mindset. There wasn't supposed to be adversity. They didn't expect it or know how to deal with it and came apart. That's strictly on the coaches. Maybe they learn from this, then again, maybe they don't.


cave canem
Mississippi St. Fan
land o sand
Member since Oct 2012
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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I'll wait to see how the team bounces back (if they do) before I put us in the same category as Vanderbilt.


Vandy is undefeated and playing in the national CBS timeslot fresh off a big OOC win you dolt, this is exactly the delusion the OP was refering to.

The truth is they would pound the ball down the tigers throat until they quit just like State did.


PillageUrVillage
LSU Fan
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
6503 posts

re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Vandy is undefeated and playing in the national CBS timeslot fresh off a big OOC win you dolt, this is exactly the delusion the OP was refering to.


Good for Vandy. Did they have potential championship teams in the past decade?

I'm not delusional about anything. Right now, LSU sucks. Not denying it. We've been on a downward trend for a while.


Tall Tiger
LSU Fan
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Member since Sep 2007
348 posts

re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Lol. Nothing like a Louisiana Bama fan who is obsessed enough with lsu to write such a long dissertation about lsu.

It's ok, we know way in the back of your closet you've got the p&g apparel. It's ok to come out now. Be free.


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Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Good:

Nothing


This is really all you needed to put in the OP


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Retrograde
LSU Fan
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Member since Jul 2014
1440 posts

re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
That's a big wall of text you wanted me to read. frick you, I won't.

We suck, like most other SEC teams this year. Whatever, at least I don't frick cows.


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Draconian Sanctions
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re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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O's successes


What are those exactly?


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Cracking
New Orleans Saints Fan
Northshore
Member since Aug 2006
2726 posts

re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Vandy is undefeated and playing in the national CBS timeslot fresh off a big OOC win you dolt, this is exactly the delusion the OP was refering to.

The truth is they would pound the ball down the tigers throat until they quit just like State did.



State was better than we thought and LSU played like shite aided by undisciplined mistakes and penalties with DQs on the D-line along with there best defensive linemen being injured.

But please don't spout this shite as if you think Vandy would dominate LSU. LSU's delusion was based on history and talent. LSU has more talent than MSU, but MSU isn't that far behind and is better coached and better at a key position (QB). LSU's problem is all coaching. Vegas must've been delusional as well.

Freaking MSU wins there 5th game against LSU in 30 years and starts trashing the Tigers.

You should try to build the Tigers up as it would make your Bulldogs look better if LSU is good.

I guess it is your time to talk trash though. Enjoy it.


Jacknola
Alabama Fan
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
1779 posts

re: LSU: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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LSU has been a championship caliber program since 2000

This is not personal, but it is an example of the delusion, sense of entitlement and lack of humility I was talking about. All of the SECr sees it but seems to be invisible in Baton Rouge.

No, LSU has NOT been a championship caliber program since 2000... They have averaged third or fourth in the SEC west for five years.

No, LSU does NOT have superior talent. The high rated recruiting classes are a fraud. They have always lacked key elements such as linemen, or linebackers or QBs. There hasn't been a complete team recruited at LSU for years and years.

No, LSU does not have a team full of 5-stars, nor does it have an "all 5-star secondary." The cumulative "stars" of LSU's starting 22 are no more numerous than most of the other teams in the SEC.

No, LSU does NOT have the greatest DC and OC in the country that will make up for deficiencies elsewhere. LSU has always thought that a new assistant coach will solve all the problems. Really? Assistant coaches are the secret to winning? In that case, please tell me... who are the Clemson OC and DC without looking it up? Surely everyone must know their names?

It is accurate to say this LSU team has more questions than any since 2000. OL, WR, QB, DL, LB, S, depth, coaching, new schemes. Yet here are good knowledgeable LSU fans still convinced they would roll Vanderbilt, and that they have better facilities and better talent and better coaching. Then they are surprised at the results, so they must conclude it is some mysterious outside force that always makes them finish third in the SECw...refs, or REC, or FBI, or ESPN, or CBS...

I do have a purple and gold shirt.. wore it to the BYU game in the Dome... and enjoyed it. I'm just a realist and I'm also realistic about my Alma Mater, Alabama, who has a lot of questions to answer if they are going to win the SEC this year.
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