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re: LSU fans...Tell me about Derrius Guice
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:01 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:01 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I'll give you 4 or 5. So that makes 97%, my bad.
Yeah, I guess I was probably off on 80%.
But I don't think he'd start at FSU, UGA, Stanford, OU, UNC, Oregon, Tennessee, Clemson, Penn St., and a few others as well.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's an incredible back, but I don't think stats against crappy teams with no production against decent run defenses warrants an assurance that he's a top 10 back in the nation.
Here are Derrius Guice's rushing stats against teams with a top 50 run defense:
5 carries for 13 yards
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:04 pm to elit4ce05
All three of those clips are against atrocious Run D's that were already added to LF7's highlight reel
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:07 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I don't think he's as good as LF right now. Not sure why you're so upset.
It's the other poster who grabbed my attention. He talked so much nonsense to UF fans last year about Guice that it was almost embarrassing. I'm not upset, just think the brakes should be pumped on the hype train. Mainly because i'd hate for our fans to eat him alive when or if he doesn't live up to this hype.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:08 pm to bgtiger
Stop. Give it up.
Guice is great. He will run on everyone this year.
Guice is great. He will run on everyone this year.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:11 pm to dan765
No. He's a secret.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:11 pm to dan765
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With all the talk about Fournette getting a heavy load, in the case that he gets seriously injured (God forbid), what kind of player do you have in Derrius Guice?
He is good enough that ther are a few idiots on the Tiger Rant that have actually suggested that LSU would be better without LF as long as we had Guice starting.
Sadly, that is no joke.
That said, he is really good, averaged around 8ypc as a freshman. But most of that came in games against teams with bad run defenses that had already been molested by Fournette.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:14 pm to TheCaterpillar
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think he looked a bit better
This has been discussed ad nauseum on TD. Almost all of Guice's yards came against awful defenses and after Fournette had already worn them out and came out of the game. How was he better at the little stuff? There's no basis for that
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:18 pm to Dawgsontop34
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but you're saying there's only one other team in the country he wouldn't start for.
Do you even math?
There are way more than 100 teams in CFB.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:20 pm to TheCaterpillar
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You run for 8.5 YPC in the SEC with 50+ carries, you can be "productive" in the NFL.
He didn't do that in the SEC though, at least not against the better teams.
I'll break up the stats for you. And remember, I think the kid is great. I'm just trying to look at this objectively.
Guice against ranked rushing defenses
1-50: 4 games - 5 car, 13 yards; 2,6 ypc (small sample size, I'm aware)
51-100: 3 games - 13 car, 116 yards; 8.9 ypc
100-130: 4 games - 33 car, 307 yes; 9.3 ypc
Guice in conference vs. non-conference
SEC Opp: 37 car, 8.2 ypc (still very impressive)
Non-conf Opp: 14 car, 134 yds; 9.6 ypc
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:22 pm to NoNameTiger
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Do you even math?
There are way more than 100 teams in CFB.
There's 128 in FBS which 99% of that is barely above 1.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:22 pm to rmnldr
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eople crapped on me for saying that during his recruitment. I tried to tell people that his skills would immediately translate into CFB and that he would be a better freshman than Fournette and got downvoted into oblivion. I'm glad that Guice proved them wrong
OK Mrs. Guice.
We like your son, but he is not at LFs level yet.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:24 pm to NoNameTiger
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OK Mrs. Guice.
We like your son, but he is not at LFs level yet.
He wasn't wrong, Guice didn't get the carries LF got his freshman year but he certainly was better adjusted. It took LF several weeks to really get going.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:25 pm to NoNameTiger
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but you're saying there's only one other team in the country he wouldn't start for.
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Do you even math?
There are way more than 100 teams in CFB.
I'll take my UGA education and do the math for you.
127 FBS football teams (not including LSU), but would start for 99% of the nation
127 * .99 = 125.73
127 - 125.73 = 1.27
1.27 rounds to 1 full team.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:26 pm to Dawgsontop34
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127 FBS football teams (not including LSU), but would start for 99% of the nation
Your original post did not specify FBS
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:35 pm to dan765
He'd be the starter at every SEC school except Georgia and maybe Tennessee.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:35 pm to LsuTool
First round talent. Maybe he doesn't go early 1st like LF should. Prolly mid-late round but NFL talent for sure.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:36 pm to NoNameTiger
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Your original post did not specify FBS
Oh yeah, my bad. I forget about all the FCS football discussion we have on the SEC rant
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:37 pm to dan765
I actually would like some feedback on Sony.. I've heard he's a beast but hadn't seen him. Is he gonna follow that great uga RB run you guys have had. Gurley, Chubb, Sony ??
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:48 pm to TheHat7
Sony's definitely a very good back, but last season showed me the difference between being a back-up in the SEC and taking the full-time job when defenses are scheming for you.
Our offensive line was crap last year, but Sony definitely showed he still had the ability to make some big runs. He struggled in SEC play for sure, and wasn't used as often in the slot or catching out of the backfield which is where he was most dynamic early in the season. He can break big runs, but often times when he does he lacks the awareness to make sure the ball is still tucked away.
He's great running to his left, and has a very strong right shoulder he can lower into defenders. Also has a filthy cutback move, he showed a couple times against UT.
Statistically he was worse last season, but still averaged over 5 ypc. Before Chubb went down that number was around 6.7 ypc.
Hope that helps.
Our offensive line was crap last year, but Sony definitely showed he still had the ability to make some big runs. He struggled in SEC play for sure, and wasn't used as often in the slot or catching out of the backfield which is where he was most dynamic early in the season. He can break big runs, but often times when he does he lacks the awareness to make sure the ball is still tucked away.
He's great running to his left, and has a very strong right shoulder he can lower into defenders. Also has a filthy cutback move, he showed a couple times against UT.
Statistically he was worse last season, but still averaged over 5 ypc. Before Chubb went down that number was around 6.7 ypc.
Hope that helps.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:43 pm to thunderbird1100
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Guice didn't get the carries LF got his freshman year but he certainly was better adjusted
sigh. yeah, he wasn't asked to be the first team back, which is not easy to adjust to. since guice was never asked to take on that responsibility, you have no basis to say he was better adjusted.
Let's look at where Guice got the majority of his 436 2015 yards:
Auburn - 55 yards after Fournette had already gone for 228 on 19 carries
South Carolina - 161 yards after Fournette came out of the game with 158
Western Kentucky - 48 yards, 47 coming on one play with a minute left in the game in a blowout
Texas A&M - 73 yards, 50 coming on one play, a trick play
Those games account for 337 of his 436 rushing yards on the season, and all of these teams had terrible rush defenses
Guice was never, the entire season, asked to take on the responsibility Fournette was as a freshman, so people saying he was more prepared, or whatever, are basing that on Guice looking good against bad defenses after Fournette had worn them down. Now, with that said, he is a tremendous luxury to have as a backup and has a very bright future. But this notion that he was more impressive as a freshman that Fournette (who set the LSU freshman rushing record) is a complete myth drawn up by our fans who always think the backups are better than the starters, even when that starter is arguably the best player in the country and best in LSu history. it's quite honestly insane
Fournette went for over 100 on a top 10 defense against Ole Miss as a freshman. Fournette went for over 100 on a Florida top 10 defense as a freshman.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:52 pm
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