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re: LSU Fans, why does Leslie struggle recruiting elite QB's?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:23 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:23 pm to lsufball19
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he's asked to run more. he runs a lot more zone read plays than LSU does
In part because he is a better runner, and also the style of offense. But if I had Fournette I wouldn't run a lot of zone read either.
I don't know if Dobbs is a bigger runner, or just a stronger runner.
I think Harris also got away with a lot of jump ball throws last season because LSU's receivers could go up and get the ball. I understand that is knowing your personnel, but I didn't feel like I saw as many of those contested throws from Dobbs.
I easily could be wrong though.
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:24 pm to Jacknola
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Jacknola
In the game you're talking about Jefferson did line up to clock it. There was 1 second left BEFORE the snap which makes clocking it the last play of the game. That is why there was so much confusion.
The best part of all is that Miles took the blame entirely, which completely shatters your whole narrative. If you're going to try and make a point, at least make sure it's accurate, idiot.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:25 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I don't know if Dobbs is a bigge runner, or just a stronger runner
I agree - Dobbs does appear to run more like a running back than Harris does. He seems very comfortable running up the guy to get 4 yards or so. Nice trait to have.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:27 pm to bbap
Brandon Harris isn't little Brandon Harris any more. Doesn't mean he'll be better but he's not the scrawny kid who came out of high school.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Dobbs 671
Harris 226
Difference 445 yards
Dobbs 671
Jones 987 diff 316 yards
Davis 902 diff 231 yards
Harris 226
Difference 445 yards
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Isn't that much difference
Dobbs 671
Jones 987 diff 316 yards
Davis 902 diff 231 yards
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Pretty big difference
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:28 pm to Freezus22
He recruits top guys, then ruins their chances at being successful NFL players.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:29 pm to Jacknola
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Jefferson completes a last second pass to get LSU within range of a long field goal against Ole Miss, the LSU sidelines are in a completely unprepared uproar, yelling, running, trying to figure out what to do because they thought the game of was over, and then the clock runs out with JJ looking over and trying to get directions from the staff. What happens next? Blame JJ for not clocking the ball. Les did not take responsibility for the three stooges bedlam on the sidelines and did indeed blame JJ. That is when I finally had it with Miles, Mr. "we finished second."
In other words you are just a few points above being classified as a retard.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:30 pm to trooploop
you don't have to tell me that. i acknowledged that already. He's definitely put on good weight since last season.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:34 pm to Jacknola
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Jordon Jefferson was perhaps the most overall talented athlete recruited to LSU the last 10 years
Maybe ever.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:34 pm to Freezus22
How about we let this season play out and then have this discussion. All I know is that it is a very good feeling to finally have a qb starting with a year of experience under his belt. Crazy to think that Harris may improve as a 2nd year starter.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
i doubt brandon will ever be as good of a runner as dobbs is. Dobbs is a great runner.
His passing ceiling is quite higher than Dobb's though. Hopefully he approaches that ceiling.
His passing ceiling is quite higher than Dobb's though. Hopefully he approaches that ceiling.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:36 pm to Jacknola
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What happens next? Blame JJ for not clocking the ball. Les did not take responsibility for the three stooges bedlam on the sidelines and did indeed blame JJ. That is when I finally had it with Miles, Mr. "we finished second."
"Certainly, I mismanaged the back end of the Ole Miss game," Miles said. "It's my responsibility. I'm the head coach."
"I had lost that opportunity for my team by squandering seconds," Miles said Monday. "I let the clock get away from me; it was my fault, my mistake."
"As part of the process we go through we evaluate everything we do, players, coaches and every decision that gets made," he said. "I'm a part of that process, I'm no different than anybody in that team room that I run."
"I have a great team, this is a difficult time," he said. "I understand the mistakes this head coach has made, and it will not be repeated. I regret the mistake. It cost my team a best opportunity at victory. In 48 hours I've gone through the pain of this, and it's not something I enjoy. Certainly, my team feels as bad as I, but I'm done with Ole Miss."
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:37 pm to Freezus22
Its the developing them once they get here that's the problem.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:44 pm to elit4ce05
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Dobbs 671 Harris 226 Difference 445 yards
1 QB position vs 1 QB Position = 671 vs 226 (445 yards)
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Dobbs 671 Jones 987 diff 316 yards Davis 902 diff 231 yards
1 QB Position vs 1 RB Position = 671 vs 1,889 (1,281 yards)
No to mention both of USC's RBs average 1-2 YPC more than Dobbs.
Though, none of that matters. It's apples to oranges. QB's have scrambles and sacks included in their yards, RBs have specific run plays.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:01 pm to Freezus22
Development and Recruiting are two totally different issues.
The QB recruitment problem really started with the dismissal of Ryan Perilloux. We had a potential star at Qb that just couldn't behave, didn't really want to behave.
That put us in a bind to where LSU offers Jordan Jefferson very late in the process. Jefferson was a pretty good player in high school for a team that utilized his wheels, but honestly all reasonable fans knew that Jefferson was not going to set the world on fire. Looking back, im actually surprised that he played as well as he did.
So Miles is left with a choice of Andrew Hatch (walk-on from Harvard who was awful), RSFR Jarrett Lee, or JJ. I think this whole process severely stunted the potential growth of Jarrett Lee, he struggled mightily in 2008. This whole back and forth between lee and JJ went on for what seems like forever.
Ultimately, JJ started most of the games during those 4 years. The offense turned extra conservative (if you think Miles is conservative now, you have no idea how bad it got in 2009). It was almost this mentality of "we cant pass, im scared someone will lose the game". Frankly, I don't blame Miles for that, JJ was a screw-up waiting to happen.
However, this forced conservatism that started in 2008 has really taken over the identity of the team sans 2013. I think elite QB recruits always consider LSU because of the level of play and competition, but they don't pick us because they fear being in an offense that attempts 15 passes per game.
Theres no question if we had a truly elite QB, we would open the offense, 2013 is proof. Other than Mett and Jamarcus Russell, we just haven't been able to attract anything close to "elite".
The QB recruitment problem really started with the dismissal of Ryan Perilloux. We had a potential star at Qb that just couldn't behave, didn't really want to behave.
That put us in a bind to where LSU offers Jordan Jefferson very late in the process. Jefferson was a pretty good player in high school for a team that utilized his wheels, but honestly all reasonable fans knew that Jefferson was not going to set the world on fire. Looking back, im actually surprised that he played as well as he did.
So Miles is left with a choice of Andrew Hatch (walk-on from Harvard who was awful), RSFR Jarrett Lee, or JJ. I think this whole process severely stunted the potential growth of Jarrett Lee, he struggled mightily in 2008. This whole back and forth between lee and JJ went on for what seems like forever.
Ultimately, JJ started most of the games during those 4 years. The offense turned extra conservative (if you think Miles is conservative now, you have no idea how bad it got in 2009). It was almost this mentality of "we cant pass, im scared someone will lose the game". Frankly, I don't blame Miles for that, JJ was a screw-up waiting to happen.
However, this forced conservatism that started in 2008 has really taken over the identity of the team sans 2013. I think elite QB recruits always consider LSU because of the level of play and competition, but they don't pick us because they fear being in an offense that attempts 15 passes per game.
Theres no question if we had a truly elite QB, we would open the offense, 2013 is proof. Other than Mett and Jamarcus Russell, we just haven't been able to attract anything close to "elite".
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So 2 RB's have more yardage than one? The hell you say?
We are talking individual rushing yardage here. If you want to add another , we'll add Alvin Kamara
671+1288=1959
1959>1889
You are the one who said 445 yards is not much difference in rushing yardage only to turn around to say 316 is big difference.
Thanks for making my point.
Neither QB's "scare" me. Harris is no different than any other QB in the SEC. Dobbs on the other hand, he "worries" me a bit. Harris takes no special preparation. You better prepare for Dobbs.
We are talking individual rushing yardage here. If you want to add another , we'll add Alvin Kamara
671+1288=1959
1959>1889
You are the one who said 445 yards is not much difference in rushing yardage only to turn around to say 316 is big difference.
Thanks for making my point.
Neither QB's "scare" me. Harris is no different than any other QB in the SEC. Dobbs on the other hand, he "worries" me a bit. Harris takes no special preparation. You better prepare for Dobbs.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:14 pm to elit4ce05
why on earth do you bother with total stats instead of per attempt stats? it's hard to take your posts seriously when you do that.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:18 pm to Bear Is Dead
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There's no question if we had a truly elite QB, we would open the offense, 2013 is proof. Other than Mett and Jamarcus Russell, we just haven't been able to attract anything close to "elite".
And Perriloux even though he had all the talent necessary but got kicked off for poor behavior , we don't win the national championship without him playing in the sec championship game and how he ran certain packages with FLynn, He had all the talent of an elite quarterback and was the #1 qb coming out of high school LES recruited
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:22 pm to Freezus22
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:23 pm to elit4ce05
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So 2 RB's have more yardage than one? The hell you say?
2 RB's did not play every down. They split time on the field. Josh Dobbs played every down.
Again, you can't compare running backs and quarterbacks for rush yardage unless you are comparing YPC.
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671+1288=1959 1959>1889 You are the one who said 445 yards is not much difference in rushing yardage only to turn around to say 316 is big difference. Thanks for making my point.
I have no idea how 1 QB + 1 RB = 2 RBs. We can compare Kamara/Hurd to USC's 2 RBs, or compare another QB to Dobbs, but comparing a set of running backs to a QB + a running back doesn't make sense.
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