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LSU Fans, why does Leslie struggle recruiting elite QB's?

Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:35 am
Posted by Freezus22
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:35 am
Not that my team is QBU. Shea Patterson is the first QB we've actually gotten out of high school that was elite in a while. LSU has been an elite QB away from a few national titles for a while now. Mett has been the best QB at LSU since probably Flynn. If I'm wrong then let me know. It's still crazy to me how LSU didn't win it all with Mett, Jarvis, Odell, Hill, etc. But, do you guys think it's the style of offense? Or is it something different? I'm just curious because with a Chad Kelly or Josh Dobbs in an LSU uniform this year, they really would be deadly.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:36 am to
I think that Brandon Harris could be just as good as Josh Dobbs this season.

I agree if they had a guy like Chad Kelly, though. They'd be terrifying.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:37 am to
he doesn't struggle recruiting them. all the quarterbacks he recruits/signs are highly rated guys. i think a better way to frame your question, even though it's a beating a dead horse troll, is why les has struggled developing quarterbacks
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:37 am to
Name the last true "elite" QB that we truly recruited here? I mean Harris was a 4*, is that considered elite? I do think we will have two of them coming in next year.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:39 am
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:37 am to
What makes you think Josh Dobbs would look any different than Harris? They're almost identical passers.
Posted by 0
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:38 am to
He doesn't. He has recruited very well at the position. The problem lies in taking read option / 1 read and throw it qbs and tried to force them into a pro style offense. With the talent Louisiana produced at the skill positions it's asinine to play ball control offense.
Posted by Freezus22
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:39 am to
I guess that's a better way of asking the question. Just seems to me that LSU has just been a really good QB away from torching people over the years.
Posted by 0
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:40 am to
Besides Andrew Hatch has LSU had a less then 4 star QB start?

Not that stars are the end all be all
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:41 am
Posted by Freezus22
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:40 am to
I guess I mentioned Dobbs because he is a good fit for Tennessee's offense and runs it pretty well. Not too sure how he'd fit in LSU's offense.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:42 am to
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I think that Brandon Harris could be just as good as Josh Dobbs this season.


Posted by Freezus22
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:42 am to
The Brennan kid should be pretty good or at least that's what I've heard. Scott from Zachary may be effective for LSU in a couple years as well. He was a 3* if I remember correctly.
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:42 am to
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It's still crazy to me how LSU didn't win it all with Mett, Jarvis, Odell, Hill, etc. But, do you guys think it's the style of offense?


The offense that year was good enough. It led the country in third-down conversions and had a 3,000-yard passer, 1,000-yard rusher, and two 1,000-yard receivers. The defense was subpar.

I honestly think the QB recruiting is changing. I do think there's still a little bit of uncertainly about what they really want to be at QB from a mold perspective, but I think Cam has been much better at identifying solid QBs. His first signee is Harris who would be a take for just about anyone. His physical skills aren't really a question, although his makeup may be. Cam was really early in on Myles Brennan before he blew up.

One interesting stat. Every single QB who has started for Cam Cameron for more than one season has gone on to be either a first-team all-American QB (Randle El), Pro Bowler (Rivers and Brees), or Super Bowl champion (Brees and Flacco), and that doesn't include Mettenberger who only played one year. He also had all of those guys really early in their careers.

If Harris flops this year I don't know what to say. I don't think it will happen but who the heck knows.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64470 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:43 am to
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I guess I mentioned Dobbs because he is a good fit for Tennessee's offense and runs it pretty well. Not too sure how he'd fit in LSU's offense.

i don't think he'd fit well at all in LSU's offense. He's honestly a lot like Jordan Jefferson with not as strong an arm. I'm not saying Dobbs isn't better than Jefferson, but they have a very similar skill-set.
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:44 am to
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With the talent Louisiana produced at the skill positions it's asinine to play ball control offense.



That is Les's style that is never changing. It is quite mind blowing the WR's we have brought in the last two years with the type of offense we run. But in saying that I think Miles wants to get back to the Mett year when we had 2 1000 WR's and a 1000 RB. I just don't know if he trust Harris, we shall see here shortly.



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The Brennan kid should be pretty good or at least that's what I've heard. Scott from Zachary may be effective for LSU in a couple years as well. He was a 3* if I remember correctly.



I think Miles Brennan could be a really good one. Scott is flying up the depth chart. Really smart kid.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:49 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:47 am to
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Dawgsontop34


2015 Josh Dobbs vs SEC (East + Bama + Ark)

133/222 (59.9%)
129.40 QB Rating
6.8 YPA
10 TD / 3 INT

2015 Brandon Harris vs SEC (West + UF + USCe)
112/204 (54.9%)
119.81 QB Rating
6.8 YPA
8 TD / 5 INT


Dobbs' numbers were slightly better against a worse overall schedule.

This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:48 am
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16624 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:48 am to
That's not completely true tho. His first few years the O didn't look like it does now. He has shown he will branch out when he wants. I think Cam is a bigger problem.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:49 am to
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Dawgsontop34


I know you like to masquerade as a voice of reason and clarity but if you can't see that Dobbs isn't a great QB then you have problems.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:51 am to
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I know you like to masquerade as a voice of reason and clarity but if you can't see that Dobbs isn't a great QB then you have problems.



2015 Stats vs FBS Winning Teams

Brandon Harris
9 games
118/218 (54.1%)
7.8 YPA
10 TD / 6 INT
129.00 Rating

Josh Dobbs
7 games
110/195 (56.4%)
6.6 YPA
7 TD / 2 INT
121.95 Rating


Brandon Harris gets crapped on too much and Josh Dobbs gets way too much hype/praise IMHO.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:52 am
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:52 am to
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ut in saying that I think Miles wants to get back to the Mett year when we had 2 1000 WR's and a 1000 RB.


I think that's very true. I think their ideal is Mett passing game with a guy who isn't a statue.

I think guys who haven't watched Harris much are surprised when they watch him for stretches. He's not a run-first guy. He'll stand in there. He's got a big time arm and at times he can't hit broad side of a barn. In some ways it's what you want in terms of a guy progressing. I'd rather have a guy who can do everything that you'd ever want to do who may struggle completing a check down. Although, on the flip side, you wonder how he can throw a bullet on a sprint out falling out of bounds and then overthrow a dump pass to a RB by 10 feet.

If he can ever put it all together he's going to be very good. I just don't think that accuracy is something that can be greatly improved upon. It will be better (I think he'll go from 52 to 58 percent completion rate this year) but he's never going to be a 65 percent guy, but some of that is because of the vertical structure of LSU's passing game.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:55 am
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:54 am to
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2015 Josh Dobbs vs SEC (East + Bama + Ark) 133/222 (59.9%) 129.40 QB Rating 6.8 YPA 10 TD / 3 INT 2015 Brandon Harris vs SEC (West + UF + USCe) 112/204 (54.9%) 119.81 QB Rating 6.8 YPA 8 TD / 5 INT Dobbs' numbers were slightly better against a worse overall schedule.


Perception really is pretty amazing. Josh Dobbs is considered far superior to Harris and it's really not the case. Harris's production and performance has actually outperformed the perception of him but because it's the weaker part of LSU's offense he takes more than a lion's share of the blame.
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