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re: LSU-Alabama opponents scoring defense

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Posted by nb200016
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:50 pm to
What a tremendous thread backfire this turned out to be lol
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:54 pm to
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His stats are wrong anyway, what else is he hiding?

Going by his rules of FG's being failures and acting as if NOTs don't count, Alabama scored 21, not 20 on A&M.


I never said NOTs didn't count bud, but whatever fits your narrative...

This whole conversation was started with this comment:
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Your OFFENSE scored:

I know it is hard to miss (in bold and all caps), but I clearly was talking the Alabama offense... And since you know your offense is putrid and struggles to score against awful defenses, you choose to deflect
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:01 pm to
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You can bend my words however you'd like boss... I proved my point, and since you can't present a valid counterpoint, you've gone with irrational sarcasm.

Nice


It isn't sarcasm. By your definition a field goal is a non offensive score. Very clearly and specifically.
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:01 pm to
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What a tremendous thread backfire this turned out to be lol


A summary of this thread:

1. I post ranks/ppg.
2. Alabama fans melt after seeing these ranks/ppg

I must've missed the backfire
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:01 pm to
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your offense is putrid


This is fun
Posted by LoneMDG
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:08 pm to
You still haven't explained what happened to the 12 offensive drives that disappeared with the nots. I mean, that's a whole game of offensive drives.

Haven't explained how 3 TD's become 20 points instead of 21, nevermind what other numerical errors you might have made.

Also, the "putrid" offense is still outscoring LSU's offense on a per game basis (33.3 to 29.9), and is actually even further ahead, if you consider an entire game of offense disappeared, moving Alabama's 8 games to 7, and becoming 38.1 ppg for the offense)

btw, stats are fun.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 2:10 pm
Posted by Bengal26
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:10 pm to
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ages 17 ppg more than its opponents allow.


But how many of those were given up by special teams or the offense?
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:29 pm to
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All you did with this post is prove that good defenses shut down Les Miles and Cam Cameron.


FIFY
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:31 pm to
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This is fun

Another solid counterpoint.


Alabama points from offensive TDs: 237
Alabama points from special teams/defense: 114


Meaning your OFFENSE has only scored 66% of the teams points... LSU's offense has scored 87% of the teams points...


Your offense blows bud... Sowwy
Posted by Aman
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:32 pm to
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LSUs "new" offense scored 5 TDs vs Ole Miss while Alabama scored 3 TDs vs Ole Miss...

Care to explain?


When you score defensive TDs it takes away an offensive possession. Does that make sense to you or do I need to simplify it further?
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:41 pm to
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You still haven't explained what happened to the 12 offensive drives that disappeared with the nots. I mean, that's a whole game of offensive drives.

And based on Alabama's offense, they likely wouldn't have scored had the defense not done it for them

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Haven't explained how 3 TD's become 20 points instead of 21, nevermind what other numerical errors you might have made.

Sorry, I made a 1 point error... Feel free to go through and fix any other 1 point errors I may have made, NO TELLING the difference it will make ...

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Also, the "putrid" offense is still outscoring LSU's offense on a per game basis (33.3 to 29.9)

Actually, under the current coaching staff LSU is averaging 41.6 ppg, but keep focusing on those Les Miles games

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actually even further ahead, if you consider an entire game of offense disappeared, moving Alabama's 8 games to 7, and becoming 38.1 ppg for the offense)

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on the SEC Rant, which is saying something.

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btw, stats are fun.

Especially made up ones
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:44 pm to
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Meaning your OFFENSE has only scored 66% of the teams points... LSU's offense has scored 87% of the teams points...


66% of 351 is more than 87% of 209 champ.

But please, continue your melt.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 2:45 pm
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:46 pm to
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When you score defensive TDs it takes away an offensive possession. Does that make sense to you or do I need to simplify it further?

If you can make that argument, I can just as easily make the argument of:

"If the defender doesn't score, he probably fumbles while getting tackled"


The probability of a defensive player (more specifially a defensive linemen) fumbling the ball is pretty high

Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:55 pm to
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66% of 351 is more than 87% of 209 champ.


LSU has played the #3 and #4 defenses, and also played one less game champ... but what does that matter?
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But please, continue your melt.

Didn't you call me "the worst poster on this site" for saying this like two days ago?

You wanna be like Daddy Bill huh?

Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:57 pm to
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Didn't you call me "the worst poster on this site" for saying this like two days ago?

You wanna be like Daddy Bill huh?


Sure, except this is the definition of an actual melt, with random numbers and %s spilling all over the place in a desperate attempt to deflect from previously discredited numbers and %s.


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LSU has played the #3 and #4 defenses, and also played one less game champ... but what does that matter?


DEFLECT DEFLECT RUN AWAY FROM YOUR OWN STAT

Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22151 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 2:59 pm to
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Does it add to points per game, sure.

Is it the offense doing the scoring against the defense? Nope, it is not.

ETA:

Some teams have kickers who can kick 55 yarders. Meaning all the offense has to do is make it to the 40ish yard line... stalling out at the 40 isn't very good offense, yet it could still lead to points.


This might be the dumbest thing I've read all day.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:02 pm to
Yes, I believe it can have an affect obviously but not in the ranges some think.
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:05 pm to
Care to elaborate?

Is any part of that false?
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:13 pm to
The offense's goal is to score points. If you kick a field goal, you scored points. Just because the offense didn't achieve the best possible result doesn't mean they failed.

That's like saying the defense failed if they don't get a turnover, and only force a punt.

Not to mention, kicking a fg is adequately represented in the PPG stats. It's not the best possible result, but it's only worth 3 points, so it's adequately represented. There's no need to take out field goals, and to do so is disingenuous.

But you knew all that........I hope.
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:20 pm to
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But you knew all that........I hope


Crimson glasses IMHO
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