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re: LSU-Alabama opponents scoring defense
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:06 pm to bamasgot13
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:06 pm to bamasgot13
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You scored below the average allowed with Miles/Cameron, and above the average with Orgeron/Ensminger.
Now you're getting it.
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:07 pm to Triple Daves
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However you break it down Alabamas offense destroys bad defenses averages in PPG and Yards.
FIFY
Alabama has only played one defense with a pulse, and it was a very average one. Denying that is incredibly homerish.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:08 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Congrats on beating two top 10 teams! 
I'm talking to my Bama brethren.
I'm talking to my Bama brethren.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:08 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
There's really not a stat out there that makes LSU look better than Bama. 
It's kinda sad.
It's kinda sad. 
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:09 pm to Aman
I would tell you how Alabama does against top defenses... but they haven't played one sooooo
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:10 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Let's dive into this further.
Wisconsin (14.3 ppg) - LSU scored 14
Mississippi State (28.4) - LSU scored 23
Auburn (14.1) - LSU scored 13
Missouri (29.7) - LSU scored 42
Southern Miss (29.6) - LSU scored 45
Ole Miss (31.4) - LSU scored 38
LSU averages 4.7 ppg more than its opponents allow (FBS only)
USC (24 ppg) - Alabama scored 52
Western Kentucky (29 ppg) - Alabama scored 38
Ole Miss (31.4) - Alabama scored 48
Kent State (26.3) - Alabama scored 48
Kentucky (32.3) - Alabama scored 34
Arkansas (31.3) - Alabama scored 49
Tennessee (29.9) - Alabama scored 49
Texas A&M (21.1) - Alabama scored 33
Alabama averages 17 ppg more than its opponents allow.
Wisconsin (14.3 ppg) - LSU scored 14
Mississippi State (28.4) - LSU scored 23
Auburn (14.1) - LSU scored 13
Missouri (29.7) - LSU scored 42
Southern Miss (29.6) - LSU scored 45
Ole Miss (31.4) - LSU scored 38
LSU averages 4.7 ppg more than its opponents allow (FBS only)
USC (24 ppg) - Alabama scored 52
Western Kentucky (29 ppg) - Alabama scored 38
Ole Miss (31.4) - Alabama scored 48
Kent State (26.3) - Alabama scored 48
Kentucky (32.3) - Alabama scored 34
Arkansas (31.3) - Alabama scored 49
Tennessee (29.9) - Alabama scored 49
Texas A&M (21.1) - Alabama scored 33
Alabama averages 17 ppg more than its opponents allow.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:10 pm to RB10
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Alabama has only played one defense with a pulse, and it was a very average one. Denying that is incredibly homerish.
USC and A&M are Top 20-30 type defenses. Good, not elite.
LSUs "new" offense has also not faced an even average defense so far.
Point is Alabama has blown away even average defenses usual performances. Doesn't mean a whole lot, but it shows that Alabama isn't just doing the norm against those average defenses. They are pulverizing them.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:12 pm to Triple Daves
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LSUs "new" offense has also not faced an even average defense so far.
LSUs "new" offense scored 5 TDs vs Ole Miss while Alabama scored 3 TDs vs Ole Miss...
Care to explain?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:13 pm to bamasgot13
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Edited to include LSU's defensive TD against Wisky to bring LSU's point total to 14.
the reason you only look at the number at a high level, is because the level of detail needed for an accurate picture would take at least a day to compile ... diving in like this just creates more garbage.
ex.
Should you account for defensive scores?
special teams scores?
Should you reflect the strength of the offenses your opponents have faced?
Should you reflect the strength of the defenses your opponents' opponents have faced?
it's a rabbit hole
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:13 pm to JuiceTerry
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There's really not a stat out there that makes LSU look better than Bama. It's kinda sad.
Sure there is, and it's kind of a big one.
Alabama isn't great and converting red zone opportunities into touchdowns (62%). LSU is very good at keep opponents out of the endzone once they get inside the two (30%).
Bama's kicker better be on point.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:14 pm to JuiceTerry
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There's really not a stat out there that makes LSU look better than Bama. It's kinda sad.
Why would that be sad to a Bama fan?
You're trying too hard.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:15 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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LSUs "new" offense scored 5 TDs vs Ole Miss while Alabama scored 3 TDs vs Ole Miss...
Care to explain?
Because the game is only 60 minutes and the defense and ST stole 3 possessions with thier own touchdowns?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:16 pm to elit4ce05
I think it's funny how people think one game changes a teams ranking so drastically. Like they were ranked 54 and then dropped to 90 after playing Bama....
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:16 pm to Triple Daves
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USC and A&M are Top 20-30 type defenses. Good, not elite.
USC is not not top 30 in any meaningful category. The only thing they're even top 40 in is passing defense.
So, again, saying they are good is incredibly homerish.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:17 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Alabama averages 17 ppg more than its opponents allow.
Well 5 of the 8 teams they've played have a defense ranked outside of the top 75....
And let's not mention that Alabama has scored at least one non offensive TD in all of those games, meaning that average drops by at least 7.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:19 pm to RB10
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USC is not not top 30 in any meaningful category
USC gave up 475 yards and 52 pts to Alabama. In all their other games they average giving up 355 yards and 19 points.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:20 pm to Triple Daves
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USC gave up 475 yards and 52 pts to Alabama. In all their other games they average giving up 355 yards and 19 points.
Does this somehow make them a top 30 team? I guess we should just go through and throw out the worst game for every team.
Makes sense.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:21 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Like they were ranked 54 and then dropped to 90 after playing Bama
USC is 43rd in PPG allowed at 24.0.
Without Alabama they would be at 21st in PPG at 19.3.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:21 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Your fear is duly noted.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:21 pm to WilliamTaylor21
When taking the Alabama game out of the equation:
USCw 19.3 ppg (22nd)
Western Kentucky 27.7 ppg (67th)
Ole Miss 28.7 ppg (74th)
Kent State 23.1 ppg (39th)
Kentucky 32 ppg (92nd)
Arkansas 28.9 ppg (75th)
Tennessee 26.7 ppg (59th)
Texas A&M 19.2 ppg (19th)
Average: #56 (55.875) - 14 spots lower than 70th (70.1)
Taking out LSU:
Wisconsin 14.3 ppg (5th)
Miss State 29.3 ppg (78th)
Auburn 14.3 ppg (4th)
Missouri 27.7 ppg (67th)
Southern Miss 27 ppg (61st)
Ole Miss 30.3 ppg (83rd)
Average #50th (49.66) - 5 spots lower than 55th (54.6)
Auburn got 0.2 points per game better by playing LSU
USCw 19.3 ppg (22nd)
Western Kentucky 27.7 ppg (67th)
Ole Miss 28.7 ppg (74th)
Kent State 23.1 ppg (39th)
Kentucky 32 ppg (92nd)
Arkansas 28.9 ppg (75th)
Tennessee 26.7 ppg (59th)
Texas A&M 19.2 ppg (19th)
Average: #56 (55.875) - 14 spots lower than 70th (70.1)
Taking out LSU:
Wisconsin 14.3 ppg (5th)
Miss State 29.3 ppg (78th)
Auburn 14.3 ppg (4th)
Missouri 27.7 ppg (67th)
Southern Miss 27 ppg (61st)
Ole Miss 30.3 ppg (83rd)
Average #50th (49.66) - 5 spots lower than 55th (54.6)
Auburn got 0.2 points per game better by playing LSU
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