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Les Miles cannot be THAT lucky...

Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:21 pm
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
8906 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:21 pm
...therefore, he must be at least a little bit good.

My brother and I had a conversation about this on Sunday. We independently came to the same conclusion: there is no way that any one person can get as lucky as Les Miles seems to get on a regular basis. So he's got to be doing something right. The question is, what?

My theory is that while Miles may not be the brainiest of coaches (see his clock management for supporting examples), he consistently demonstrates to his players that he believes in them by putting his reputation on the line with questionable calls and then trusting them to come through. As a result, when the chips are down, unless the coaches put the team in a situation where there literally is no way to win (Ole Miss last year, Tennessee this year except for the Vols' own dunderheadedness), the players generally come through because they don't want to let Miles down. Miles isn't the best X's and O's guy in the world, but he does seem to be really good at motivating a team and getting them to give their best effort at the right times.

Personally, I hope he coaches at LSU forever. He is the Yogi Berra of college football. The SEC would be much less entertaining if he were to leave.
Posted by Tim
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
7050 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:23 pm to
can you imagine how "lucky" he would be if he had a great offensive coordinator?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:24 pm to
His team's talent is what is getting by, and LSU most certainly is a very talented team. Its just Miles has almost cost them 3 games this year. Its ridiculous. He's just lucky he has a good team, not that he's a smart coach.
Posted by ODanMan
Prairieville
Member since Sep 2008
1630 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:24 pm to
If lee is the starter the rest of the year we will be real "lucky"
Posted by Ala Tide
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2009
3108 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

If lee is the starter the rest of the year we will be real "lucky"

and if we get rid of Crowton.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24263 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:25 pm to
I am telling you he either made a deal with the debil or he had a horseshoe surgically implanted in his rectum, but I would rather be lucky than goos and he happens to a little of both.
Posted by Tim
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
7050 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:26 pm to
i'm beginning to wonder if Lee should start...perhaps he does well in the role of "savior", there are no expectations on him...he steps in, balls to the wall, nothing to lose....maybe our coaches have figured out some psychological edge with him that works...i dunno
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
14850 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:26 pm to
so who recruited the players he is playing this year? they are his recruits- maybe not the best game coach, but he does know how to win- just ask Urban
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84766 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

he consistently demonstrates to his players that he believes in them by putting his reputation on the line with questionable calls and then trusting them to come through. As a result, when the chips are down, unless the coaches put the team in a situation where there literally is no way to win (Ole Miss last year, Tennessee this year except for the Vols' own dunderheadedness), the players generally come through because they don't want to let Miles down. Miles isn't the best X's and O's guy in the world, but he does seem to be really good at motivating a team and getting them to give their best effort at the right times.


This is definitely his greatest attribute. He believes in them totally, they in turn believe they can do anything and also don't want to let him down.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48868 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:27 pm to
if his buyout is $14 million then he doesn't give a shite
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84766 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

i'm beginning to wonder if Lee should start...perhaps he does well in the role of "savior", there are no expectations on him...he steps in, balls to the wall, nothing to lose....maybe our coaches have figured out some psychological edge with him that works...i dunno


I would continue to do what they have done with the QBs, but give Lee a bigger share of the snaps.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21117 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:28 pm to
You read it correctly, although I would say that if we had lost to Florida after having a 12 point lead in the 4th quarter, Miles' ability to motivate his team would have taken a direct hit. We need an OC. We need decent QB play. JLee stepping up has changed things and it looks like Crowton is doing a better job of playcalling with Lee behind center. In other words, the offense is opening up some.

This is why LSU fans were so mad. This could be the best defense, special teams, offensive line, receivers, and running back corps that we've seen at LSU since 2003 or maybe ever. With even average QB play and play calling, this team could win it all. LSU fans saw that and were furious about the waste.

But, halfway through the season, things seem to be coming around. If Lee can keep playing at the level he is and Crowton can call a decent game, this could get very interesting as LSU is now a serious factor in the SEC, which no one expected.

Les seems to be getting that and the win at Florida could change everything, including the confidence that the players have. So, as he continues to call on his exceptionally talented team, they might just continue to respond.
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
18776 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

We independently came to the same conclusion: there is no way that any one person can get as lucky as Les Miles seems to get on a regular basis. So he's got to be doing something right. The question is, what?


Top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out bring in great depth and talent, which quite often offsets the poor coaching and in-game management.

When you factor in recruiting Miles is a top 15 coach in the nation. Without recruiting he's definitely in the bottom half.
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
18776 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:31 pm to
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Its ridiculous. He's just lucky he has a good team, not that he's a smart coach.


No, he's not "lucky" he has a good team. He has earned that good team by being running a great recruiting effort every single year.
Posted by Tim
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
7050 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:31 pm to
saban won in 2003 with mediocre qb play, miles won in 07 with mediocre qb play...you don't have to have a superstar when you have the rest of the pieces of the puzzle...just a leader, and the players seem to play harder for Lee, just my observation
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33935 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

although I would say that if we had lost to Florida after having a 12 point lead in the 4th quarter, Miles' ability to motivate his team would have taken a direct hit


Yeah, and that it was basically his fault we were in that situation, not because of the kick return, but because he got conservative during two three-and-out drives before UF scored the go-ahead.
This post was edited on 10/11/10 at 9:35 pm
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:33 pm to
Luck follows skill...
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
16096 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

My theory is that while Miles may not be the brainiest of coaches (see his clock management for supporting examples), he consistently demonstrates to his players that he believes in them by putting his reputation on the line with questionable calls and then trusting them to come through. As a result, when the chips are down, unless the coaches put the team in a situation where there literally is no way to win (Ole Miss last year, Tennessee this year except for the Vols' own dunderheadedness), the players generally come through because they don't want to let Miles down. Miles isn't the best X's and O's guy in the world, but he does seem to be really good at motivating a team and getting them to give their best effort at the right times.


I agree with this paragraph 100%
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

if his buyout is $14 million then he doesn't give a shite



it's not
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12112 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

No, he's not "lucky" he has a good team. He has earned that good team by being running a great recruiting effort every single year.



It really helps that he is the coach at the only big program in a talent rich state also. He could just focus on nothing more than LA and have top 10 to 15 classes every year.

As for luck, he does seem to get the ball to bounce his way a lot. Take the fake field goal the other night. That ball landed perfectly to bounce straight and right where the kicker needed it to bounce for him to still be in stride to get the first. If the ball bounced a little more forward, they probably would have called it a forward pass/incompletion.
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