re: Just in need of a quick update re: Hugh Freeze

See this is where you golden triangle educated bulldogs don't understand and need some help with reading comprehension.

No one is saying we are completely clean. But nothing has been tied to Hugh. So yes, the school can admit wrongdoing and also say that Hugh had no part in it.

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See this is where you golden triangle educated bulldogs don't understand and need some help with reading comprehension.

No one is saying we are completely clean. But nothing has been tied to Hugh. So yes, the school can admit wrongdoing and also say that Hugh had no part in it.

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The school has the right to say anything they want in a effort to thwart the heavy allegations that have been thrown on OM football. But, if the school admits and accepts any of the allegations then they also hang themselves when they claim Freeze's innocence.

Because "if" Freeze didn't know what was going on with his own staffers, the recruiting for his program and the process and procedure he put in place to recruit prospects then he failed to monitor his own program.

And the end result is that the institution lacked the willingness and ability to control their won Athletic Department in multiple sports.

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But nothing has been tied to Hugh.

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Except, of course, the "failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance or monitor staff in the football program" for which he was specifically named.

I know OM fans are clinging to hope in this case, and I would be too. But the fact of the matter is, they have enough to bury OM. The ACT fraud with Saunders alone is enough to kill your program for half a decade. Hugh Freeze might not need a show-cause if he can't get past 6-6 for three years in a row.

Do you think that if OM managed to get 90% of the allegations dropped, that the NCAA would take it easy on them? I think they'd be even more vindictive and feel like you got away with something if that were the case. Either way, I expect some of the stiffest penalties since USC (2-year bowl ban, 30 lost schollies over 3 years).

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SO you're saying Hugh is clean

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You have a pretty tough time with reading comprehension.

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pankReb

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Please don't get caught up in trying to defend your fellow reb in this situation. You are typically much more reasonable than him

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A) I don't think they'll drop anything

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So you don't think they'll drop a charge like the one where the baseball booster had a pre-existing relationship with a recruit and took him(as well as several others) to an Arkansas state visit before Freeze became our coach?


Do you think that the one where a player got evicted and crashed on an assistant's couch for 3 nights will stay a level 1 violation?

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A) I don't think they'll drop anything
B) In the event a prosecutor comes up short on the bigger charge, generally there is an increase the penalties for the lesser charges to compensate. I know this isn't a criminal prosecution, but there are similarities. If they feel there isn't enough evidence for LOIC (i.e. it's a grey area but they avoid following through because it might be successfully appealed), I could still see them handing down penalties that are in line with what you'd get for LOIC just based on the seemingly lesser charges (that are still level-1 and carry the same penalty ranges)

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I think that's why there are so many allegations just in the 1st NOA. If they allege 12 Level 1's, and get 50% reduced to Level 2, then they still have another half dozen 1's left to hand down crippling sanctions. And you STILL have to give penalties for the reduced allegations that dropped down a notch.

I still believe that someone associated with OM pissed off an investigator (lied to them?) which resulted in a vendetta that caused the investigator to go on an all out witch hunt.

Because the seemingly larger, high profile stuff (Tunsil) wasn't even included in the NOA......In other words, there was a calculated effort on the part of the NCAA to dig for enough dirt from other areas (even if they had to offer immunity to get it) and they found enough manure that they didn't need to add the Tunsil shite to feel like they had a solid case.

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So you don't think they'll drop a charge like the one where the baseball booster had a pre-existing relationship with a recruit and took him(as well as several others) to an Arkansas state visit before Freeze became our coach?


Do you think that the one where a player got evicted and crashed on an assistant's couch for 3 nights will stay a level 1 violation?

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No... I don't. I think they charged you with those things for a reason, and that reason is to punish you for them. Whether they should or not is a different question.

I assume you think that these things are petty and that Ole Miss cooperated fully and the NCAA is just screwing them just to do it (whether a personal vendetta, conspiracy, whatever). I think that the NCAA felt disrespected by the way Ole Miss handled the situation and for that reason are going to show no mercy.

eta: Signing Greg Little, Shea Patterson, AJ Brown, etc. with them in town probably didn't sit too well with them. And before you even respond that there is no evidence presented that there was anything shady in that 2016 class recruitment, they don't need to find any. They'll just nail you for something 'petty' like crashing on an assistant's couch, and it will all be the same to them.

They were in town and you were supposed to know you were in trouble, but you seemingly carried on with business as usual. Again just a plausible explanation.

I'll tell you what the NCAA is going to drop.
They are going to drop a big black stinky turd in the Rev's Sunday go to meeting coat pocket and smurch it flat. He never will get rid of the smell...