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Ivan Maisel Tells It Like It Is Re: Up-tempo Offenses
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:27 pm
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The performance of Baylor and Oregon on Saturday made the up-tempo spread offense look as faddish as the latest Free People catalog. If historians look back at this weekend as the crest of this wave, they will find a system that had the biggest impact on the offensive side of the ball since the wishbone, with the big asterisk that no one has won a national title. At its heart, the up-tempo spread compensates for what teams don't have: the ability to win the blocking and tackling battles that have defined the game for more than a century. Teams that win those continue to take home the crystal football.
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Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:28 pm to Chronic
so he also forgot 2010?
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:30 pm to Chronic
I agree. It takes good DL play and you can beat those teams. A&M is proof of that, in the SEC.
This post was edited on 11/24/13 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:30 pm to Chronic
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with the big asterisk that no one has won a national title
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:31 pm to HailToTheChiz
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so he also forgot 2010?
Auburn HUNH with Cam Newton was a power run attack. Much different than Oregon and Baylor
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:31 pm to HailToTheChiz
To be fair, AU doesn't run a finesse style game like Baylor, Oregon etc. Plus, you have SEC athletes.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:31 pm to Chronic
What a fricking joke 
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:32 pm to bamafan1001
quote:Definitely true. But it's still an uptempo hurry-up
Auburn HUNH with Cam Newton was a power run attack. Much different than Oregon and Baylor
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:33 pm to AMM AU9893
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Definitely true. But it's still an uptempo hurry-up
Yeah, but I think Maisel is talking more about the Baylor/Oregon finesse game. I don't think he's slighting Auburn. It's a compliment to not be thought of that way, if anything
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:33 pm to asphinctersayswhat
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To be fair, AU doesn't run a finesse style game like Baylor, Oregon etc. Plus, you have SEC athletes.
True. Its also funny when some of you think we run trick plays. I think we have run one trick play all year.
It was on a two point conversion 
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:34 pm to Chronic
You can run a high tempo, spread offense - but you must, MUST have the ability to pound a sustaining running game when needed. If you rely on a short passing game to be your defacto running game, you're screwed.
That change (short passing run game v. an actual running game) is big reason behind Mizzou's 2013 success.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:34 pm to Chronic
So when a more "traditional offense" gets shutdown, they were just outplayed, but if it is a spread, it's because it's faddish?
Why can't it just be that Oregon and Baylor were outplayed?
Why can't it just be that Oregon and Baylor were outplayed?
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:34 pm to 15sammy34
To be fair Auburn did win in 2010 but only scoring 22 points. Fairley and co. and Michael Dyer were the reason they won that game. But yeah, they WERE a hurry up spread that won the BCSNC so....yeah.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:35 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:Agree with all of this. But this is the rant, nitpicking and complaining is mandatory
Yeah, but I think Maisel is talking more about the Baylor/Oregon finesse game. I don't think he's slighting Auburn. It's a compliment to not be thought of that way, if anything
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:35 pm to AMM AU9893
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Definitely true. But it's still an uptempo hurry-up
Gus' O is up-tempo. No question about that. What Maisel is referring to are "finesse" spreads. Gus' O is power football that is all about pace. He "spreads" the field ourt very little. LSU will "spread" the field as much as Auburn does and that is considered a "pro style" O..
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:35 pm to HailToTheChiz
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so he also forgot 2010?
You need to go back and look at the 2010 schedule. Cam Newton won many of those games based on his brute strength and arm. The spread just put him in a position to be a runner. AU won a lot of close games on the last drive of the game.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:35 pm to LanierSpots
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True. Its also funny when some of you think we run trick plays. I think we have run one trick play all year. It was on a two point conversion
You do run a lot of misdirection but I don't consider that trickery.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:36 pm to Chronic
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Ivan Maisel
Is generally an idiot.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 3:55 pm to kilo
Auburn was 54th in plays per game in 2010. They aren't as "hurry up" as you think. Oregon was 7th in plays per game that year.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 4:15 pm to asphinctersayswhat
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To be fair, AU doesn't run a finesse style game like Baylor, Oregon etc
Malzhan's system is still a finesse spread though the way they run it in terms of formations and personnel even though it's a predominately a running attack. That's not a slight, but if you watch what Auburn does versus Alabama, Georgia Tech, or the old Nebraska or Oklahoma triple option teams, you can see they a significantly schematically different.
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