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re: Its either Clemson or the Big 10 Champ
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:35 am to Solo Cam
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:35 am to Solo Cam
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Side note: Jake Browning was 9-24 for 118 yds against Colorado. Bama will literally beat Washington by 50. Whatever that line opens up at I'm going all in on Bama.
Those are the same kind of numbers that JT Barrett puts up every week. If OSU gets in, they better be able to run and run and run some more.
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:38 am to AggieDub14
Hope Fuentes loves Dabo not tenderly.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:47 am to TidalSurge1
Michigan and the Oklahoma schools are out. Ohio State is in for sure.
The 2 loss big 10 champ doesn't get in over OSU. Everyone arguing Penn State over OSU: They lost to Pitt. Yes they have the head to head. Yes they would have a big 10 championship. Those are essentially tie breakers for the committee. No one actually thinks PSU and OSU are equally skilled teams. Osu is much better.
The 2 loss big 10 champ doesn't get in over OSU. Everyone arguing Penn State over OSU: They lost to Pitt. Yes they have the head to head. Yes they would have a big 10 championship. Those are essentially tie breakers for the committee. No one actually thinks PSU and OSU are equally skilled teams. Osu is much better.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:49 am to AggieDub14
If Clemson and Penn State win convincingly, they will both have just as strong of a case. They could both be in over Ohio State.
If Big 10 champ is left out - then there is an argument that the conference champ games should be eliminated. What is the value?
If Big 10 champ is left out - then there is an argument that the conference champ games should be eliminated. What is the value?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:12 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
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If Clemson and Penn State win convincingly, they will both have just as strong of a case.
Same would go for Wisconsin I think.
A dominating performance today will be the last game on the minds of those who make the call.
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If Big 10 champ is left out - then there is an argument that the conference champ games should be eliminated. What is the value?
that would be a very fair question. If you put a team in from a conference and pass the conference champ--- you are ruining the value of the conference championship.
And it is not like Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin or Michigan DESERVE to be in it. They all had losses that took their destiny out of their hands. Any one of these teams could have settled it on the field and kept it out of subjective debate.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:23 pm to higgs_boson
Head to head and conference championships do mean something, but they don't mean everything. tOSU has one loss in the best conference this year and the other Big Tens in consideration all have at least 2 losses. It is still about win and losses, Conference championships and head to head just give you a leg up when you have the same record.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:35 pm to viceman
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Head to head and conference championships do mean something, but they don't mean everything.
I think both sides have an argument honestly, but I think there might be some pretty serious consequences bypassing the conference champ who beat the team that gets in with a head to head as well.
I had no problem with the LSU-AL rematch, but what if AL had gotten in and LSU had not?
EDIT-- I know it is not an apples to apples comparison but it seems hard to find one.
It is hard to say the championships mean something when winning them does not get you in over a team you beat.
If anything, it would make for an argument to just drop the conference championship game and go to an eight team playoff--- and that would be a shame, but there is a danger in the conference championship games being more risk than reward.
Maybe this year is unique, but if it keeps occurring, I think it will make people reevaluate the current system.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:24 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
There is still value. That doesn't mean it is the decision maker though. Winning a conference helps you look better. It doesn't necessarily make you a top 4 team.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:47 pm to AggieDub14
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The 2 loss big 10 champ doesn't get in over OSU. Everyone arguing Penn State over OSU: They lost to Pitt.
I see your point and you're probably right...but Clemson also lost to Pitt so it's not a terrible loss (providing Clemson wins tonight). I think them getting trounced by Michigan is what may end up keeping 'em out. But besides the championship/head to head edge, PSU could also point to the MSU games (and Wiscy if they win big). OSU struggled bad with them and a week later Penn State destroyed 'em. They could make an argument that they're the best B1G team now. Ultimately, I think the CFP picks Ohio State...but I hope the above scenario pans out so the committee has to make a definitive statement on what really matters to them...
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:53 pm to OldPete
Penn State and Wisconsin have TWO LOSSES.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:56 pm to TidalSurge1
they'll have two losses but an extra win.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:58 pm to Tillman
i cud see Okla getting in, it seems like the com. loved Baker Mayfield last year.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:07 pm to TidalSurge1
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Penn State and Wisconsin have TWO LOSSES.
Last year, in the final CFP poll, a TWO LOSS conference champion (Stanford) was ranked ahead of a 1-loss non-division winning team (Ohio State)...
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:08 pm to OldPete
i wud have Clemson ranked over washington, OSU, and big 10 champ winner, assuming they win today. they should be no. 2 seed.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:13 pm to Tillman
Clemson should play Ohio State in the semis
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:55 pm to Tillman
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i cud see
wtf
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:55 pm to Tillman
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i wud have
wtf
Posted on 12/4/16 at 12:44 am to AggieDub14
Hey OP, I made you a new avatar
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