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Is this normal behavior for a ref?

Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:34 am
Posted by gambit1415
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:34 am
I saw this watching the Bama v Aggie game and was waiting to see the reply online. The ball has already been set, play clock down to 17 sec. but Bama has too many men on the field. The Ref runs in to stop Hurts from snapping the ball, seems to tell him something and they wave off #25. But another ref throws a flag and catches it. The same ref that ran in to stop the snap puts his head down as if he is upset. Do refs normally run in to stop a snap?

Video here
Posted by DannyB
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:35 am to
They will if the offense is running tempo and substitutes in order to give the defense a chance to sub as well.
Posted by TigerTerd
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:36 am to
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:37 am to
When there's a substituion, yes. How long have you been watching football?
Posted by TigerTerd
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:38 am to
There were no substitutions going on whatsoever
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:39 am to
quote:

There were no substitutions going on whatsoever


You don't get 12 men on the field without there being a substitution.

And they ran someone on to the near side that you couldn't initially see because it was out of the camera view.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 8:41 am
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Do refs normally run in to stop a snap?


When the offense substitutes yes
Posted by secuniversity
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:40 am to
I think he's hinting at CONSPIRACY!!! REC!!! BAMMER PAYING REFS!!!

Just change your thread title to that. You know you want to.
Posted by Judah Mann
Houston Area
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:40 am to
Alabama would not have won a single game this season had it not been for game police running interference for them.
Posted by Rzrbackguy
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:40 am to
um...welll then how long did they play with 12 players?
Posted by TigerTerd
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:41 am to
You also aren't suppose to break the huddle with 12 men either.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:41 am to
quote:

You also aren't suppose to break the huddle with 12 men either.

There wasn't a huddle.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:42 am to
quote:

There were no substitutions going on whatsoever




Alabama substituted, which means the ref has to give A&M the opportunity. They don't have to use it, but they get the time.
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:45 am to
There was no huddle.

Rules

quote:

Maybe your offense doesn't huddle, though. In that case, lining up with 12 gets the play blown dead before the snap. Defenses get a little more leeway, as they can line up with 12 without penalty, but they have three seconds to get the extra guy to run off the field. On offense or defense, if the ball is snapped while a guy obviously trying to get off the field is not yet on the sideline, that's also an illegal substitution penalty. No matter how you earn it, illegal substitution is a five yard penalty.
Posted by FreddieMac
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Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:45 am to
It is normal for them to give them time, but A&M's D was set. There was no reason for him to do that other than trying to help Bama. Just more examples of how they help them out.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:46 am to
quote:

The same ref that ran in to stop the snap puts his head down as if he is upset.



Normally they are happy because they helped bama, so no this isnt normal. He is going to get an earful from his bosses in Tuscabirmingham....
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:46 am to
quote:

It is normal for them to give them time, but A&M's D was set. There was no reason for him to do that other than trying to help Bama. Just more examples of how they help them out
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:47 am to
So, you don't watch too much football I guess?

It happens multiple times every game when a team goes no huddle.

Since your link goes to the beginning of a 36 minute highlight reel (right-click, copy video URL at current time too hard?), I'll guess at the play to which you're referring and assume you had the audio down during the play because Verne & Gary even explained the entire sequence of events.

When the sequence started, contrary to your assertion, Bama did not have too many men on the field. They attempted to sub in Jacobs for Harris.

The rules say the defense gets a chance to sub if the offense does, so at that point, the ref runs to the ball to prevent a snap. As I said above, it happens multiple times every game involving a no huddle team.

The problem, was that Harris thought the play clock was running down and tried to wave off Jacobs. Jacobs either didn't see him or didn't understand because he continued on. Once he got in between the hashes, Bama was guilty of an illegal substitution (not too many men on the field) and was correctly flagged at that time.

For future reference, you might want to drop $12 and get this book



so you will better understand what you're watching.

Eta - disregard the link part. Chrome goes to the right place, but IE threw up for some reason.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 8:51 am
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:48 am to
quote:

There were no substitutions going on whatsoever


Wow, you're dumber than the OP.....
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 8:48 am to
quote:

It is normal for them to give them time, but A&M's D was set. There was no reason for him to do that other than trying to help Bama. Just more examples of how they help them out

It doesn't matter if the D is set or not. They will always run up to stop the snap every time the offense subs. If the offense has 12 guys on the field how can you say the D is set when they don't know who the offensive players will be?
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