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re: Is the Big 12 still a power conference?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:38 pm to ford1911
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:38 pm to ford1911
What a shitstorm of misdirection and revisionest history this thread has become.
I distinctly remember when A&M re-committed to the big 12 in 2010, the reported agreement was that the fricking longhorns would get ONE conference game on the LHN. Then ESPN, starving for content, tried to put high school games on the LHN, but the Longhorns would dictate which games would be shown (their recruits or targets), allowing them to have a huge recruiting advantage. We all complained (OU Mizzou, okie State and Tech at a minimum) and the NCAA shot it down That was strike two after the PAC negotiation behind our backs.
Strike three came when a FOIA request showed that terms in the contract between ESPN and the longhorns showed that agreed to get as many conference games on the LHN as.possible and that the longhorns would never participate in a conference network. It was then that Loften said we are done. There was no negotiation after that. He wouldn't even answer Deloss Dodds' calls.
Upon leaving the big 12, A&M stated publicly that we wanted to keep the Aggie/Longhorn game going, but Dodds said "the schedule is full." He intended to punish A&M for leaving. It turned out to be a longhorn punishment, which is why we enjoy NOT playing them.
Spin that shite any way you want. Call Aggy is a bunch whiny titiebabies or whatever the hell you want. Those are the facts and going to the SEC was the best move we have ever made. Finally, we did what made sense from a business prospective, instead of again adhering to the continued manipulation from the press or acting solely for the holy sake of blessed tradition. As insulting to A&M this example is, we were (sadly) like Gerge Kastanza when he started becoming successful when he started doing everything opposite of his nature.
We would still be stuck in a doomed conference if not for the reasoned, business-minded approach of Loftin. He did great things for A&M and I am glad Mizzou got him as their president.
I distinctly remember when A&M re-committed to the big 12 in 2010, the reported agreement was that the fricking longhorns would get ONE conference game on the LHN. Then ESPN, starving for content, tried to put high school games on the LHN, but the Longhorns would dictate which games would be shown (their recruits or targets), allowing them to have a huge recruiting advantage. We all complained (OU Mizzou, okie State and Tech at a minimum) and the NCAA shot it down That was strike two after the PAC negotiation behind our backs.
Strike three came when a FOIA request showed that terms in the contract between ESPN and the longhorns showed that agreed to get as many conference games on the LHN as.possible and that the longhorns would never participate in a conference network. It was then that Loften said we are done. There was no negotiation after that. He wouldn't even answer Deloss Dodds' calls.
Upon leaving the big 12, A&M stated publicly that we wanted to keep the Aggie/Longhorn game going, but Dodds said "the schedule is full." He intended to punish A&M for leaving. It turned out to be a longhorn punishment, which is why we enjoy NOT playing them.
Spin that shite any way you want. Call Aggy is a bunch whiny titiebabies or whatever the hell you want. Those are the facts and going to the SEC was the best move we have ever made. Finally, we did what made sense from a business prospective, instead of again adhering to the continued manipulation from the press or acting solely for the holy sake of blessed tradition. As insulting to A&M this example is, we were (sadly) like Gerge Kastanza when he started becoming successful when he started doing everything opposite of his nature.
We would still be stuck in a doomed conference if not for the reasoned, business-minded approach of Loftin. He did great things for A&M and I am glad Mizzou got him as their president.
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:46 am to KaiserSoze99
To add to what Kaiser said, all that came after Texas flirted with the PAC-10, and in arrogant Deloss Dodds fashion, acted as if they could negotiate on behalf of a 4 team block to switch conferences, and excluded Loftin from the discussion. So A&M was already losing trust that Texas was acting in good faith.
So now the Big XII was already unstable because of the threat of the conference losing members. Then Texas started going back on original agreements with regards to LHN.
So at that point, A&M had the momentum within the alumni and BOR to make a move to a better conference. The LHN shenanigans provided the political cover for A&M to seek greener pastures. The Big XII was a sick patient on life support, and the writing was on the wall.
So now the Big XII was already unstable because of the threat of the conference losing members. Then Texas started going back on original agreements with regards to LHN.
So at that point, A&M had the momentum within the alumni and BOR to make a move to a better conference. The LHN shenanigans provided the political cover for A&M to seek greener pastures. The Big XII was a sick patient on life support, and the writing was on the wall.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:48 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:46 am to KaiserSoze99
The fun part is what Mizzou did. Originally Texas only wanted to agree to like a five year GOR, because they wanted an easy out if the LHN flopped or the structure of college football was against what the Big 12 became. Mizzou said they wouldn't consider staying for such a short GOR, so they turned around and agreed to make it last as long as the LHN contract basically. Then Mizzou still left.
Its why Mizzou will always be my second favorite SEC team. Them, T Boone, and $50 oil maybe killed what the OU program was. The wallflowers got fricked.
Its why Mizzou will always be my second favorite SEC team. Them, T Boone, and $50 oil maybe killed what the OU program was. The wallflowers got fricked.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 4:33 am to KaiserSoze99
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Spin that shite any way you want. Call Aggy is a bunch whiny titiebabies or whatever the hell you want.
I think this thread proves that up. No spin necessary.
(Aggie self-awareness: In one breath proud of Loftin not returning Dodds' phone calls and the next bitching about Dodds' trying to punish Loftin and the Ags.)
Posted on 5/5/15 at 4:38 am to oman
In fairness, don't want to paint all Aggies with the tittiebaby/bitch moniker.
Kaiser and Sarge seem to wear it well, though.
Kaiser and Sarge seem to wear it well, though.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 4:45 am to oman
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Feeling is mutual about not wanting the game. I think thin-skinned attention whores FROM BOTH SCHOOLS who are more interested in politics and the more recent graduates from both schools who don't care about the past push the game through.
FIFY
Posted on 5/5/15 at 4:53 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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The biggest attention whore of them all is Steve Patterson, which is a big problem for them.
Deloss at least was a capable businessman, although an unethical egotist who was difficult to do business with who eventually succumbed to the midas' golden touch so-to-speak.
Steve Patterson, however, is a clownish car-salesman who doesn't seem to know what direction to take his football program, and keeps insisting on ludicrous ideas based on the "We're the Yankees of College Football" fallacy.
Clown
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 4:55 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 5:53 am to oman
In other words, when Loftin did answer the phone, Dodds was his usual piece of shite self. At least we agree on that.
None of that matters, cuz we gone. You are locked into a shite conference for another 10 years, you continue to suck donkey arse, and your viewership is sinking like a led zeppline. Thank that POS Dodds and your program's willful institutionalized hubris for your shitty, hopeless situation.
Now, quit obsessing over your non-rival at frickin' 4:30 a.m. and go bother OU. This is the big leagues and you do not belong.
None of that matters, cuz we gone. You are locked into a shite conference for another 10 years, you continue to suck donkey arse, and your viewership is sinking like a led zeppline. Thank that POS Dodds and your program's willful institutionalized hubris for your shitty, hopeless situation.
Now, quit obsessing over your non-rival at frickin' 4:30 a.m. and go bother OU. This is the big leagues and you do not belong.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 5:54 am to KaiserSoze99
It wasn't Deloss who pissed off Loftin with the condescending arrogant "Don't worry, we'll take care of you" line, it was UT-Austin President Bill Powers who said that
Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:01 am to Gradual_Stroke
Very true.
Bill Powers played a huge role in our exit. Didn't mean to overlook him. Substitute Powers for Dodds where necessary. The two were acting in concert on that whole thing. Thus, the institutionalized hubris.
Bill Powers played a huge role in our exit. Didn't mean to overlook him. Substitute Powers for Dodds where necessary. The two were acting in concert on that whole thing. Thus, the institutionalized hubris.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:02 am to Gradual_Stroke
Notice how every one of those players are now jobless?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 6:58 am to ford1911
Yes, exactly what I was talking about. Just wanted to point out that they do have much less teams. The gap is still wide compared to the SEC, but it is still comparable to the other conferences if you factor in how many teams.
Thanks ford1911
Thanks ford1911
Posted on 5/5/15 at 7:24 am to oman
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Kaiser and Sarge seem to wear it well, though.
That's funny because I never visit, read or post on Shaggy or Orangebloods....yet here you are.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 7:26 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 8:28 am to ford1911
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I have no love lost toward the Big 12 but it is kinda sad to see what was once a great football conference become a shell of it's former self. I guess they have no one to blame but themselves.
It used to be one of the best, if not the best, conferences.
Turn back to 15 or so years ago...
-Oklahoma was rising from their dormant state to National Champions.
-Nebraska was an elite team.
-Kansas State was always in the running with Nebraska for the Big XII North.
-Missouri was a 7,8 win team.
-Colorado was really hitting stride.
-Senneca Wallace was running around at Iowa State
-Texas was a 10-2ish type team. Remember, Colorado kept Texas out of the BCS National Championship by beating them in the 2001 Big XII Championship.
-The Texas Tech/Mike Leach offense was starting to bloom.
-Crazy Les was doing good things at Oklahoma State.
-Texas A&M was hovering around 7 wins.
Honestly, Baylor and Kansas were typically the only bad teams.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 8:28 am to ford1911
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I guess maybe that depends on where in the state you are from.
Seems the north and east side tend to think of themselves more B1G'ish.
I'm from SW MO...dang near Oklahoma. But if you ask people from states in the B1G, I'd say prolly IA, MN, IN, IL, OH probably classify themselves as "midwestern."
Besides Missouri, I'd say MAYBE Kentucky and Arkansas would claim midwestern status in the SEC.
So comparatively....but no use bringing it up until the B1G decides they want to go to their 16 team mega-conference
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 8:29 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 9:06 am to oman
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No spin necessary
Exactly.
Heck 99.99% of people don't know all the stuff we know, but still think Texas is the bad guy for making a team specific network in an age of conference networks. Your concept of us needing to build a narrative to justify our actions doesn't fit with national opinion. We have a narrative because that is what happened.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:43 am to 5thTiger
I grew up in champaign Illinois, I consider Missouri to be Midwest. perhaps not as utterly as the states with charter big10 members, but a helluva lot more Midwest than New Jersey, Maryland, or Pennsylvania
I like that the mizzou-Illinois rivalry is maintained as interconference, but I honestly have no idea why the big 10 took Rutgers when they could have taken mizzou.
I like that the mizzou-Illinois rivalry is maintained as interconference, but I honestly have no idea why the big 10 took Rutgers when they could have taken mizzou.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:47 am to KaiserSoze99
Damn Kaizer, you're singing from the same hymnal book that I have. I could not agree more.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:22 pm to BearBait09
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I grew up in champaign Illinois, I consider Missouri to be Midwest. perhaps not as utterly as the states with charter big10 members, but a helluva lot more Midwest than New Jersey, Maryland, or Pennsylvania
Jim Delaney is somehow convinced that Rutgers in the B1G will get the BTN carriage on basic cable in NYC. If it does, then it was a good move.
As others have said, Missouri, falling in the geographic middle, can fit in several different places (and likewise be looked at as an outsider by those who are 'more Southern', etc.). All in all, Mizzou came out of this smelling like a rose. The academic prestige of the B1G (and the CIC $) would have been fine, but athletically the SEC is it, and a great/better landing spot - it is an 'athletic' conference after all. Of the 3, the B12 (-1-1-2+1+1) only offered history and one rivalry. Either B1G or SEC were better options.
Agree re MU-UofI. Wish they still played in football.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:24 pm to 50CalMG
And the troof hath set us free!!!
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