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re: Is basketball hard to coach?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:09 pm to LarrytheGolfer
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:09 pm to LarrytheGolfer
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:14 pm to TheCosbySweater
In Bill Simmons's book he goes on for quite a while about "over-coaching" being a detriment in the NBA.
You still have the basic essence of coaching - getting your guys to play hard which applies to all sports. And instilling discipline is very important - positioning and adjustments is huge for offensive efficiency and defensive effectiveness. Coaches can innovate new systems like the triangle which does give them a schematic advantage
But there is a certain degree of letting them play not found in football. A coach who knows how and when to do that is superior
It's an apples and oranges comparison really.
The answer is yes, it's very difficult, and a good coach makes a big difference. But it's an entirely different skill set. May require a different type of personality. That doesn't mean it's easier.
You still have the basic essence of coaching - getting your guys to play hard which applies to all sports. And instilling discipline is very important - positioning and adjustments is huge for offensive efficiency and defensive effectiveness. Coaches can innovate new systems like the triangle which does give them a schematic advantage
But there is a certain degree of letting them play not found in football. A coach who knows how and when to do that is superior
It's an apples and oranges comparison really.
The answer is yes, it's very difficult, and a good coach makes a big difference. But it's an entirely different skill set. May require a different type of personality. That doesn't mean it's easier.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:14 pm to TheCosbySweater
seems like you definitely have a very deep understanding of the sport.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:17 pm to aspiclark
I honestly believe if Saban took a year to learn the sport he could win a lot of games as the Bama basketball coach.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:36 pm to TheCosbySweater
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Past champions have the following: Spurs have the best power forward of all time, a point guard that's one of the best and probably he best all around player in the league. The heat have Lebron, bosh AND D wade. Lakers have Kobe, Gasoline and some with Shaq. Mavericks had Dirk and good role players. Bulls with Jordan and Scottie, sprinkle in Horace grant, and the best rebounder of all time. Lakers/Celtics in the 80's had the greatest players and rosters of all time. I am just really just asking. Seems to add up to great players and very respected coaches that know subs and how to command respect.
Are you talking NBA or college, because I think the what it takes to be successful in each is very different. College involves quite a bit of coaching the game itself. The NBA seems to be mostly about managing people and personalities, or at least I think it does. The last NBA games I watched where when Iverson and Shaq met in the finals.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:50 pm to TheCosbySweater
Yes, it's hard. Especially in the south.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:03 pm to DingLeeBerry
quote:one of the most oft repeated lies in sports.
College involves quite a bit of coaching the game itself. The NBA seems to be mostly about managing people and personalities, or at least I think it does.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:07 pm to TheCosbySweater
Look no further than the Missouri Tigers for your answer.
Keeping in mind that over the past 2 years we have had
5 Top 100 ESPN/Rivals players.
Coaching is more important in basketball than most other sports, including football.
Keeping in mind that over the past 2 years we have had
5 Top 100 ESPN/Rivals players.
Coaching is more important in basketball than most other sports, including football.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:09 pm to 5thTiger
quote:You've gone too far.
Coaching is more important in basketball than most other sports, including football.
Football is one of the most strategic and cooperative games on earth
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:10 pm to TheCosbySweater
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But I am thinking that it really boils down to player talent, knowing when to sub and call timeouts, and whether or not your players trust and respond to everything you say.
So......coaching?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:13 pm to genro
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Football is one of the most strategic and cooperative games on earth
Gameplanning sure...but there is no coaching during play. The 5 seconds of actual play involves almost no coaching, whereas mid play in basketball coaches can adjust and change tactics
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:14 pm to 5thTiger
quote:How is this different than a basketball play?
The 5 seconds of actual play involves almost no coaching.
quote:not really. They can call a play at the beginning, just like in football. You think they're stopping midplay to turn and look at the coach?
whereas mid play in basketball coaches can adjust and change tactics
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:17 pm to TheCosbySweater
It's more important in high school and college than the NBA. In the NBA unless you have Greg Popovich or Phil Jackson there's almost no difference in the third best coach and the 20th.
HS and College are different stories. Programs with great talent can suck if they have no coaching or direction and vice versa
HS and College are different stories. Programs with great talent can suck if they have no coaching or direction and vice versa
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:25 pm to genro
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How is this different than a basketball play?
Picking out particular pieces of the game...such as who has a mismatch that a player might not have seen...going after someone who is in foul trouble. Stopping a play right in the middle to reset and run a different play. Basketball play is continuous.
Football in a 60 minute game is only about 11 minutes of actual play. As opposed to 40 and 40 for basketball.
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not really. They can call a play at the beginning, just like in football. You think they're stopping midplay to turn and look at the coach?
That happens all the time.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:27 pm to 5thTiger
quote:I would go steal the ball
That happens all the time.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:28 pm to TheCosbySweater
Freeze did at the high school level
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:36 pm to TheCosbySweater
You try getting 9 7-8 year old girls to learn to shoot layups with their left hand and then tell me.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:39 pm to rockytop627
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If you're a bad basketball coach, you can still make the dance with a talented roster
Exhibit A: Johnny Jones.
Billy Kennedy has to actually make the dance before he can be considered "exhibit b".
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:48 pm to rockytop627
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If you're a bad basketball coach, you can still make the dance with a talented roster
Thats false. Mizzou has/had 5 Top 100 players, and we are in our two worst seasons in history.
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if you're a bad coach in football, you're most likely gonna be gangbanged by the teams on your schedule regardless
Eh, tackling on defense has little to do with coaching (gameplanning or in game adjustments). Good runningbacks can dominate a game with little to no coaching by breaking tackles.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:28 pm to BranchDawg
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n the NBA unless you have Greg Popovich or Phil Jackson there's almost no difference in the third best coach and the 20th.
There is a very noticeable difference between a great coach and a mediocre one. Brad Stevens has been a really good example of this. He has a ton of meh talent up in Boston and he has turned them in to a legitimate playoff team that could be a piece or two away from being a contender.
The differences between the Mark Jackson/Steve Kerr era's in Golden State.
This was a comparison of how their offenses changed from coach to coach (This was made before we even realized they were about to become a damn juggernaut)
Hell I think you could make a good case with Avery Johnson right now. A lot of people thought he was just an okay NBA coach, but as an NBA scout put it last night there may not be a coach in CBB right now doing more with less than him right now.
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