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re: If you had to choose between Meyer and Saban, who would you pick?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:24 am to skrayper
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:24 am to skrayper
The obvious answer is to look at how they left their previous programs:
LSU - still capable of going for titles, solid foundation
Florida - train wreck
Winner: Saban.
LSU - still capable of going for titles, solid foundation
Florida - train wreck
Winner: Saban.
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:29 am to MontyFranklyn
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Dude if Harbaugh gets Michigan rolling and pounds Meyer 2 solid times he is going to bolt. He can't take real competition. I can't hang my hat on a coach like that. He likes the easy way.
He won 2 national titles in the SEC. How is that winning the easy way? Unless if you're saying the SEC 2006-2008 was easy of course
Sometimes you guys say stuff just cause you hate someone and it just is blatantly false
He was 65-15 and 36-12 in the SEC in 6 years. .750 SEC winning percentage in the "best conference" in college football.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:30 am to smash williams
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Meyer. Because I know I would never, ever as a fan, have to worry about QB play.
John Brantley.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:30 am to bucknut
Meyer.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:30 am to bucknut
Meyer. Younger and his offense seems to be more of the trend right now. Defensive coaches have a tougher road to travel to success because they require hitting on OC hires or else they're done.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:33 am to skrayper
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LSU - still capable of going for titles, solid foundation
Florida - train wreck
What was Florida's record in 2012? I mean they were one fumble away from being undefeated going to the SECCG. And that was with a worse HC using Meyer's talent
Edit: I'm not saying this stuff to just be a buckeye homer. I hated Meyer when he was at UF, but realized he's a bigtime winner. I still don't like him in certain ways, as he comes off as a snake-oil salesman too often for my liking. But he's a top 10 coach of all time and has likely a decade more left in the tank if he wants it
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:43 am to Buckeye06
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He was 65-15 and 36-12 in the SEC in 6 years. .750 SEC winning percentage in the "best conference" in college football.
His 12th loss he got frog stomped. Then he faked a heart attack and quit. Then he didn't really quit, then he quit again to spend time with his family. Until tOSU came calling, then his health was better and his family wasn't so important.
I can't respect that. In a profession full of cheats and charlatans he stands out.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:53 am to Alert Mi
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Oh right, because Saban changed jobs without the approval of reporters and the media and LSU fans were mad because he left Miami without their permission. That makes Saban an evil and bad person? I will give you that he is one of only a handful of coaches that have ever coached at more than one team in their careers. But, that doesn't make him a bad person.
Told Michigan State he was in it for the long haul. He left.
Said he wasn't leaving for the NFL. He left. He was literally on the phone with the owner of the Dolphins in the AD's office saying he was going to stay at LSU, and leveraged his way into total control over the Dolphins.
Said he wasn't leaving for Alabama. He left the next day.
Said he had no interest in Texas, yet all evidence shows that had Mack Brown been willing to step down, he'd be in Austin right now.
He's a hell of a coach and I don't hate him like a lot of LSU fans, but he's a prick and a shitebag.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:55 am to bucknut
Meyer is the best in the country ATM. He has been successful at every stop.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:00 am to bucknut
Urban is a scumbag and Saban is a liar and slightly less scumbag.
Saban all day
Saban all day
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:01 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:17 am to lsusteve1
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Saban is a liar
The evidence is there to support that statement but it's a bit of a catch 22 when dealing with the media. You can either lie and get crucified later or tell the truth and get crucified now. Even saying "no comment" isn't a viable option because the blood suckers will run with that too.
Saban got blasted for the way he handled the Miami/Alabama ordeal but realistically, what could he have done differently where he wouldn't have caught shite about it?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:17 am to bucknut
For State, Meyer b/c State is already geared for his style of play.
If we were starting from scratch, maybe Saban. Even though I'm not sure State could ever get the personnel to be successful in a pro set even with Saban recruiting.
I guess I'm saying i'd rather have Saban and his style but for State's situation it would have to be Urban.
answer - Urban
If we were starting from scratch, maybe Saban. Even though I'm not sure State could ever get the personnel to be successful in a pro set even with Saban recruiting.
I guess I'm saying i'd rather have Saban and his style but for State's situation it would have to be Urban.
answer - Urban
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:43 am to logjamming
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Told Michigan State he was in it for the long haul. He left.
Said he wasn't leaving for the NFL. He left. He was literally on the phone with the owner of the Dolphins in the AD's office saying he was going to stay at LSU, and leveraged his way into total control over the Dolphins.
Said he wasn't leaving for Alabama. He left the next day.
Said he had no interest in Texas, yet all evidence shows that had Mack Brown been willing to step down, he'd be in Austin right now.
He's a hell of a coach and I don't hate him like a lot of LSU fans, but he's a prick and a shitebag.
Coaches have no other choice than to lie at that point. If they say they are interested in another job they will get crucified. If they give a coach speak answer the media won't drop it. The only way to get around it is to say that you aren't interested. That's why so many coaches could be considered liars.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:49 am to bucknut
I do think that Meyer is the better hc right now but...the way he mailed in the 2010 season and screwed us over on his successor with his retiring/not retiring flip flopping between the SECCG and the Sugar Bowl just wasn't right at all. What if the pressure to go undefeated and repeat gets to him again this year like it did in 09? What if Harbaugh turns around Michigan as quickly as Saban turned around Alabama?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:52 am to Korin
Saban b/c Urban tucks tail when he starts losing.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:54 am to Tammany Tom
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As for the good father, good husband BS. Just stop! You're making a damn fool of yourself.
I love how LSU fans feel like they know everything there is to know about Saban based on their 5 years with him 11 years ago. He's going into year 9 at Bama.
Which fanbase do you think has a greater sample size from which to evaluate him? The one that has had double the exposure and the more recent exposure, or the jilted lover than more than a decade later still hasn't gotten over it?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:55 am to Korin
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I do think that Meyer is the better hc right now but...the way he mailed in the 2010 season and screwed us over on his successor with his retiring/not retiring flip flopping between the SECCG and the Sugar Bowl just wasn't right at all. What if the pressure to go undefeated and repeat gets to him again this year like it did in 09? What if Harbaugh turns around Michigan as quickly as Saban turned around Alabama?
This all may well happen, but just because it happened one time doesn't mean it will happen again. People just assume because he flipped out under the pressure in 2008/2009 that he is for sure going to again. I just don't believe that. He realizes he had a problem, and has done at least some things to fix that. I am not going to say he won't have issues again, but to just assume that is kind of stupid to me. I am not saying you are assuming that but others are
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:57 am to bucknut
I would take Meyer, only because LSU has proven it's self with great defense over a wide spread of coaches. From the Dinardo days where he was building a team from nothing, to Saban & Muschamp, to Les & Bo, Chief, and hopefully Steele.
Offense has cost us a shot at about 5 titles in the past 15 years. Not saying we would have won 5 more titles but offense has kept us from being there when we were not that far from it. And I love Meyer's offense.
FTR, I think Saban could get a few titles here too. So I'd be ok taking 2nd choice.
Offense has cost us a shot at about 5 titles in the past 15 years. Not saying we would have won 5 more titles but offense has kept us from being there when we were not that far from it. And I love Meyer's offense.
FTR, I think Saban could get a few titles here too. So I'd be ok taking 2nd choice.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:01 am to Buckeye06
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How is that winning the easy way?
Meyer has never had to build a bad team. He walked into a LOADED Florida team with 20 of the 22 starters on his first title team being recruited by Zook. He walked into a LOADED aOSU team as well.
He CAN recruit, but he's walked into great programs with great talent that he could use to sell to other recruits. Saban's first Bama team has ZERO players drafted. He built at Bama and LSU.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:04 am to Buckeye06
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This all may well happen, but just because it happened one time doesn't mean it will happen again. People just assume because he flipped out under the pressure in 2008/2009 that he is for sure going to again. I just don't believe that. He realizes he had a problem, and has done at least some things to fix that. I am not going to say he won't have issues again, but to just assume that is kind of stupid to me. I am not saying you are assuming that but others are
I don't think it'll happen again either and I honestly hope it doesn't. One thing's for sure though - we know Saban has no problem being the hunted and having a target on his back every single game (he probably prefers it that way). Meyer has had mixed results under the same circumstances in the past.
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