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How much does recruiting play in success of a program?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/26/15 at 12:51 pm
How much does it help? We can all point to Alabama, Auburn, LSU, etc. But than look at Texas, Notre Dame, Miami, etc. Out of the TOP 20 schools that typically recruit well why do some do much better than others? We can all point to head coaches and blame them, but shouldn't most of these schools in theory compete reality well with one another?
Miami would get stomped by Bama, Auburn would crush Michigan, Texas would get blown out by LSU. etc etc.
Miami would get stomped by Bama, Auburn would crush Michigan, Texas would get blown out by LSU. etc etc.
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 12:52 pm to Craig86
Identifying talent is obviously important, but it doesn't mean shite if you can't develop and hone it, too.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 12:56 pm to Craig86
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Identifying talent is obviously important, but it doesn't mean shite if you can't develop and hone it, too.
This.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 12:59 pm to DuncanIdaho
Florida is a great example of how to recruit at a high level and still fail.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:02 pm to DuncanIdaho
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DuncanIdaho
I dig the handle, by the way. Are you ghola Idaho?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:04 pm to Craig86
Great recruiting means you're capable of winning it all and being consistently good but it doesnt mean you WILL win it all and be consistently good.
Poor coaching can derail great talent very, very easily.
Poor coaching can derail great talent very, very easily.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:05 pm to Craig86
There's a article I've read that discussed something similar.
IIRC, every national champion has had atleast 1 top 5 recruiting class. I can't remember how far it went back but it was over 10 years
IIRC, every national champion has had atleast 1 top 5 recruiting class. I can't remember how far it went back but it was over 10 years
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:06 pm to Craig86
Look at all the National Champions since say 2000 and then look at their recruiting rankings. I'd say recruiting matters a lot.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:08 pm to HempHead
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I dig the handle, by the way. Are you ghola Idaho?
Dude, you are definitely getting your nerd credentials stamped. I assumed I would be the only one on rant getting Dune/Dune Messiah etc. references.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:09 pm to roadGator
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Look at all the National Champions since say 2000 and then look at their recruiting rankings. I'd say recruiting matters a lot.
Oklahoma 2000 was the last team to win a NC that really wasn't full of NFL level talent. Since then you have to say every team certainly was full of some great talent.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:10 pm to GnashRebel
Florida is a great example of how to recruit at a high level and still fail
Not a Gator supporter by any stretch.
LSU has out-recruited Florida pretty handily going back to the late 90s
Not a Gator supporter by any stretch.
LSU has out-recruited Florida pretty handily going back to the late 90s
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:12 pm to GnashRebel
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Dude, you are definitely getting your nerd credentials stamped. I assumed I would be the only one on rant getting Dune/Dune Messiah etc. references.
Bruh, this is the internet. We're all nerds.
.....though probably not all Herbert nerds
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:13 pm to Craig86
Being able to consistently identify and recruit top level talent is a core requirement for long term program success.
I can't remember the exact wording, but when Mal Moore hired Saban, Nick told him something along the lines of "you may think I'm the best coach in the world, but if we can't get the players we won't win" and that's the absolute truth.
Getting them doesn't guarantee success. Once they're in, you've got to develop and coach them but if you've got a team full of 2* and 3* players, it doesn't matter how much they love the school, how hard they work, or how well they're coached, they're simply not going to win on a consistent basis.
I can't remember the exact wording, but when Mal Moore hired Saban, Nick told him something along the lines of "you may think I'm the best coach in the world, but if we can't get the players we won't win" and that's the absolute truth.
Getting them doesn't guarantee success. Once they're in, you've got to develop and coach them but if you've got a team full of 2* and 3* players, it doesn't matter how much they love the school, how hard they work, or how well they're coached, they're simply not going to win on a consistent basis.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:14 pm to Craig86
Recruiting is a huge part of it but roster mgt is just as important.
Like making sure your classes are balanced and keeping your guys in school that you need and
processing those that you don't and making sure
you have a FULL roster going in to every season.
Nobody does it better than Bama but Ohio State
is also right up there.
Like making sure your classes are balanced and keeping your guys in school that you need and
processing those that you don't and making sure
you have a FULL roster going in to every season.
Nobody does it better than Bama but Ohio State
is also right up there.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:14 pm to Mud_Till_May
dont forget UT. both of em.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:15 pm to TROCKS50
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Muschamp is a great example of how to recruit at a high level and still fail
The fact is with any competent coach UF has done pretty darn well with recruiting and results.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:15 pm to HempHead
It's important, no doubt. But the guys at rivals/247 don't know shite about evaluating compared to a good coaching staff. Otherwise, those guys would be making a lot more money on a coaching staff.
A good reference tool, but really, only good for internet debates and trolling.
A good reference tool, but really, only good for internet debates and trolling.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:22 pm to CCTider
Good point. :)
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:23 pm to CCTider
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It's important, no doubt. But the guys at rivals/247 don't know shite about evaluating compared to a good coaching staff
huh? Looks like they've done a damn good job evaluating Bama's talent every year.
Do you not think Bama's is bringing in the best talent every year?
Hell, Saban is also obsessed with roster mgt.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:23 pm to Craig86
But what about teams that place 3rd 4th 5th at the end of the year. Does that mean their coaches are interchangeable with the teams that places 1st? Or that they got "lucky" or that they can't develope talent etc?
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