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re: How many National Titles has Bama really won?

Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:10 am to
Posted by bigpapamac
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:10 am to
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GermantownTiger


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inaccuracies


Well, yea.
Posted by secuniversity
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:10 am to
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1973

the school was awarded the national title by the UPI


1964

Both the Associated Press and the United Press International awarded Alabama the national title this season


1934

Alabama finished the season with a record of 10–0, earning the No. 1 spot in three ranking systems.

1930

Alabama is recognized as the national champion by four ranking systems
The NCAA lists both Notre Dame and Alabama as the 1930 national champions.



1926

Stanford was also retroactively given the title for this year based on these systems. The NCAA recognizes both Alabama (9–0–1) and Stanford (10–0–1) as the national title holders.


1925

Alabama (10–0) says the school shares the national title for this year with Dartmouth (8-0)

Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:11 am to
...12ish? Idk
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:12 am to
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Didn't win bowl


This always makes me laugh

This argument is invalid because there was a reason many teams that have championships in those days didnt win their bowl games.....

BECAUSE THEY DIDNT COUNT AND WERE TREATED AS SUCH

Coaches would treat them as basically way way early preseason exhibition games and would play a lot of players that they expected to get playing time the next year. They would also do a lot of experimental things with their play calling and such.

Bowl games were not important. They were just for exhibition. That is all. So stop giving it as reasons to discount championships because it only shows your insecurity.
Posted by Glorious
Mobile
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:13 am to
Pitt claims 9
Not sure how many of those are legit
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:13 am to
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Bowl games were not important. They were just for exhibition.


Still are except for the two semifinals.
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:14 am to
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1934-Shared title lol


Also, can we laugh at the irony of a LSU laughing at a shared title?
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:18 am to
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Bowl games were not important. They were just for exhibition. That is all. So stop giving it as reasons to discount championships because it only shows your insecurity.


I would be claiming this if the other undefeated team that year beat the team that spanked me in a bowl game too.
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:19 am to
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I would be claiming this because of its validity too


FTFY
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:22 am to
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Bowl games were not important. They were just for exhibition. That is all. So stop giving it as reasons to discount championships


Yet Bama uses bowl games to claim NC's as well.

There is a bunch of shitty logic all around since there is no definitive answer.

If a school wants to claim them and has some sort of logic(failed or not) behind it, claim them.


The only one that I think is wrong is the '41. Bama didnt even actually win the Houlgate poll at the time. Somehow the poll got manipulated over time and changed the '41 winner
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:34 am to
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They have won 9.

Inaccurate, as has been explained by TripleDaves multiple times in this very thread.

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Before Saban they only won 5

I like the use of "only". Even if you were right (which you aren't, bc Bryant alone is credited with 6), that "only 5" is still more than your total of 3 (or, essentially, Two without Saban, since you were trying to isolate titles won without Saban)
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:41 am to
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Yet Bama uses bowl games to claim NC's as well.



That's because there was only one bowl game in town during those seasons (the Rose Bowl).

Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:42 am to
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AP Titles SEC
Alabama - 10
Florida - 3
Auburn - 2
LSU - 2
Tennessee - 2
Georgia - 1
Texas A&M - 1

So the program that was nothing before 1990 is #2? Interedasting.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:45 am to
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Coaches Poll SEC
Alabama - 9
Florida - 3
LSU - 3
Tennessee - 2
Auburn - 1
Georgia - 1

Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:45 am to
How many times has this thread been started?
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:51 am to
14/16 of them are listed on the NCAA site: LINK

1934 isn't listed for some reason but they got the only hardware at the time (10-0 SEC champ, Rose Bowl champ):
LINK

1941 shouldn't be claimed. Why they claimed that over 1945 or 1966 is one of the great mysteries of life. HOWEVER...there are other programs in the SEC guilty of the same thing; claiming a title despite not winning the SEC and not finishing #1 in a major poll.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:54 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:56 am to
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That's because there was only one bowl game in town during those seasons (the Rose Bowl).


Not true of all of them and the rose bowl was not the NC game. It was the PAC champ vs the east. Sometimes it did essentially allow claim for a NC in a particular year, but it was not a NC game.
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:00 pm to
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Yet Bama uses bowl games to claim NC's as well.


It depends on the criteria of the era.

The ones we claim due to bowl games are either BCS/Playoff championships, or Rose Bowl winning seasons way back before the major polls were used as the definitive deciding factor
Posted by DeathPenalty
H-Town
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 12:13 pm to
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How many National Titles has Bama really won?
10 AP titles;
9 AFCA/UPI/coaches titles;
7 FWAA Grantland Rice titles;
8 National Football Foundation MacArthur Trophy titles;
1 Bowl Coalition title;
3 BCS titles;
1 CFP (College Football Playoff) title



So 39?
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