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Here is what is strange to me about the Mizzou thing and this board
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:43 am
All you guys wishing bad for Mizzou and calling them pussies for giving in are kind of stupid. This is a business, a multi-million dollar business and is ran like one. Every other school in the SEC wouldn't have been in this situation because the presidents would have jumped out so far ahead of that shite and nipped it that they would have been championed by the media and fan base alike. So while you are here bashing Mizzou, just know that your school would have caved faster, maybe a whole lot faster. I know Bama would have.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:45 am to MontyFranklyn
There's addressing the issue and there's caving. I think you're getting the two mixed up.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:46 am to tylerdurden24
quote:They had to cave because they didn't address the issue in a timely manner. I don't think any of the other schools would have had to worry about it in the first place because they would have had it addressed immediately.
There's addressing the issue and there's caving. I think you're getting the two mixed up.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:47 am to tylerdurden24
For instance, Ole Miss caved on the flag thing because they had no choice. They already let the Klan have its way so....
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:48 am to MontyFranklyn
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just know that your school would have caved faster, maybe a whole lot faster. I know Bama would have.
The problem is that these media influenced cave ins are becoming too common. The media influences(or attempts to influence) public opinion on issues and this leads to the eventual cave, even when the cave is not warranted.
Donald Trump is a great example. He makes comments about illegal immigrants and the media wants to you believe that he basically is Hitler reincarnate only instead he wants to murder the Mexicans instead of jews. Then they call for him to resign and act as if a majority of the country agrees that he should resign.
The media takes stands on issues and acts like a vast majority of the country agrees with their stance, even when its not the case. That is the problem.
Whatever the media story of the day is, is what the agenda is for the left.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:49 am to MontyFranklyn
At least this happened to Mizzou first. All other SEC administrations are having week long meetings about what they'll do if anything like this happens to them.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:51 am to beaverfever
quote:I don't think they are doing anything that in depth, just brushing up. The rest of the SEC members, outside of Vandy, have had so many public black eyes dealing with race issues, that they do their best at staying on top of things.
At least this happened to Mizzou first. All other SEC administrations are having week long meetings about what they'll do if anything like this happens to them.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:51 am to MontyFranklyn
There should never have been an issue. Is the President of a University to respond to every incident where someone is offended?
I've called this press conference today, to address the usage of the word bitch towards a female student.
I've called this press conference today, to address the usage of the word bastard towards a student.
There was definitely racism in this situation, and a man was forced out because of his skin color. It was a disgusting thing to see. And Pinkel, instead of being a leader of young men and helping them to see that if they felt a need to protest or speak out in the right venue, allowed and supported them in hijacking the University. He should be fired, they should have lost scholarships, white and black who supported breaking their legal obligation to their scholarships. It was an issue, because people were racist. Just different ones than you think.
I've called this press conference today, to address the usage of the word bitch towards a female student.
I've called this press conference today, to address the usage of the word bastard towards a student.
There was definitely racism in this situation, and a man was forced out because of his skin color. It was a disgusting thing to see. And Pinkel, instead of being a leader of young men and helping them to see that if they felt a need to protest or speak out in the right venue, allowed and supported them in hijacking the University. He should be fired, they should have lost scholarships, white and black who supported breaking their legal obligation to their scholarships. It was an issue, because people were racist. Just different ones than you think.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:51 am to MontyFranklyn
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They had to cave because they didn't address the issue in a timely manner. I don't think any of the other schools would have had to worry about it in the first place because they would have had it addressed immediately.
You never HAVE to cave. You address the issue by opening up a dialogue on campus. As ugly as parts of the incident at Yale were, that was handled in the best possible way. It allowed voices to be heard (regardless of how you feel about any of them) and learning to take place.
The only thing learned from this situation is that if you throw a tantrum, you'll get what you want. This should have been cause to open up communication between students and administrators, young adults and their older counterparts on how things should be handled. Instead, it resulted in a hunger strike, a racial protest, and the president of an AAU accredited university resigning. And NOBODY looks good in the end.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:54 am to accnodefense
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The media influences(or attempts to influence) public opinion on issues and this leads to the eventual cave, even when the cave is not warranted.
That's the whole point of the media, though. It has always been the point of the media.
It's our job as autonomous-fricking-individuals to seek out information and form our own opinions. Or, in this case, just yell as loud as you can and refuse to eat or play football until you get what you want.
Shame on the students for demanding resignation and shame on the school for believing that to be the proper response.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:56 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:55 am to accnodefense
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The problem is that these media influenced cave ins are becoming too common. The media influences(or attempts to influence) public opinion on issues and this leads to the eventual cave, even when the cave is not warranted.
Exactly. And the demands will just get more extravagant and ludicrous the more they cave. That's just human nature.
At some point, the demands will be too much. In this case, it was a president of a university resigning. They got that. What is next?
And, more importantly, when do you call their bluff and say no? What will be the breaking point?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:59 am to MontyFranklyn
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All you guys wishing bad for Mizzou and calling them pussies for giving in are kind of stupid. This is a business, a multi-million dollar business and is ran like one. Every other school in the SEC wouldn't have been in this situation because the presidents would have jumped out so far ahead of that shite and nipped it that they would have been championed by the media and fan base alike. So while you are here bashing Mizzou, just know that your school would have caved faster, maybe a whole lot faster. I know Bama would have.
A&M would not have caved because the alumni base is very conservative and the school would run the risk of alienating the overwhelming majority of donors. Good luck trying to run an athletic program and a university with no donations.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:00 am to Mohican
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And, more importantly, when do you call their bluff and say no? What will be the breaking point?
When you decide to be the fricking adult with all the life-experience in the room and tell them that you are willing to discuss how to improve the campus environment to better their education but that demanding resignation should never be the first step.
I mean how childish is that demand? "We're mad about something a couple of anonymous racist arse holes did, actions that everyone acknowledges are in the wrong, so we don't want the person in charge of the whole campus to be here anymore."
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:02 am to tylerdurden24
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When you decide to be the fricking adult with all the life-experience in the room and tell them that you are willing to discuss how to improve the campus environment to better their education but that demanding resignation should never be the first step.
I mean how childish is that demand? "We're mad about something a couple of anonymous racist arse holes did, actions that everyone acknowledges are in the wrong, so we don't want the person in charge of the whole campus to be here anymore."
I agree. But you can't reason with unreasonable people.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:02 am to accnodefense
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Donald Trump is a great example. He makes comments about illegal immigrants and the media wants to you believe that he basically is Hitler reincarnate only instead he wants to murder the Mexicans instead of jews.
I don't think the media is spinning that one. I definitely think it is Trump himself.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:02 am to MontyFranklyn
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This is a business, a multi-million dollar business and is ran like one.
Kind of but not really. Universities would be run much differently if they didnt have access to taxpayer dollars.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:02 am to MontyFranklyn
Bravo Monty. I was just about to hit u up on Facebook.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:05 am to MontyFranklyn
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MontyFranklyn
Here is why you are stupid:
This issue at its core is about due process. While important, business is superficial. You're OK with the abrogation of due process.
Ipso procto ergo moto facto - you are stupid.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:05 am to tylerdurden24
Requiring all athletes to meet the same entrance and continuing academic requirements as their fellow students would end this crap forever. Let the NFL have it's own farm system.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:07 am to MontyFranklyn
Congratulations. No job is safe anymore. Enjoy living in a world where your employment and ability to support your family is subject to the whimsical emotions of a small minority.
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