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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:48 am
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:48 am
All I keep hearing is that UF is only in front of Vandy and (maybe) UK this year.
Yes, having a (really I don't know what to expect here) shaky OLine is UF's biggest problem, but after only losing Fowler on defense and having better offensive coaches in place, how exactly is UF going to be worse record wise?
If you wanna talk schedule, bear in mind that ECU, UGA, South Carolina, FSU, Ole Miss, and depending on whom LSU starts, all have new QBs.
Having an elite defense, frankly I'm not sure why everyone thinks UF's defense under COllins will take a step back, will allow UF to be competitive in most games like last year. Collins will have more talent to work with than he had at MSU.
If the offense does anything better, and it can't be much worse, I don't see why UF can't challenge for the East.
But what do I know? I guess I'm just a sunshine pumper with O&B glasses on
EDIT: LSU won't have a new QB next year. I derped on that.
Yes, having a (really I don't know what to expect here) shaky OLine is UF's biggest problem, but after only losing Fowler on defense and having better offensive coaches in place, how exactly is UF going to be worse record wise?
If you wanna talk schedule, bear in mind that ECU, UGA, South Carolina, FSU, Ole Miss, and depending on whom LSU starts, all have new QBs.
Having an elite defense, frankly I'm not sure why everyone thinks UF's defense under COllins will take a step back, will allow UF to be competitive in most games like last year. Collins will have more talent to work with than he had at MSU.
If the offense does anything better, and it can't be much worse, I don't see why UF can't challenge for the East.
But what do I know? I guess I'm just a sunshine pumper with O&B glasses on
EDIT: LSU won't have a new QB next year. I derped on that.
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 8:49 am
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:49 am to boXerrumble
is this a response thread?
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:50 am to piggidyphish
No, us Florida Gator fans don't know anything about football. We need our much more football savvy peers on tRant to help explain this for us.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:50 am to piggidyphish
If it is, It's been a long time coming. Everyone has been saying UF is going to suck all off season and I don't remember a thread like this.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:50 am to boXerrumble
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Having an elite defense
do you though?
YOu very well may, who knows. But anytime there is a complete and total overhaul in the coaching staff all bets are off. I'm sure all those guys are talented, but I'm not quite ready to say they're going to be as good as they were under muschamp yet until they actually start playing under the new guy.
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LSU won't have a new QB next year. I derped on that.
may not be new but won't be very good
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:51 am to boXerrumble
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EDIT: LSU won't have a new QB next year.
That depends on whether you consider Harris a "new" quarterback.
ETA: Brandon Harris is light years ahead of Treon Harris and every other QB on Florida's roster, so there's that.
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:53 am to WG_Dawg
UF's defense the last 20 years has given up, on the average, less than 19 points per game.
Uf's defense the last 2 years has actually been BELOW that average, giving up 21.1 PPG in 2013 and 21.1 PPG again in 2014.
As good as Muschamp seemed on defense, UF's scoring defense wasn't any better than it had been under Spurrier or Meyer, and it was only a little bit better than what Zook did, and that is mostly because of the one season in 2012 when UF was amazing on defense. In 2011, UF gave up 20.3 PPG, so it's not like the defense was all that dominant on the scoreboard in the Muschamp tenure outside of 2012.
It would not surprise me if UF allowed less than 20 PPG this season.
Uf's defense the last 2 years has actually been BELOW that average, giving up 21.1 PPG in 2013 and 21.1 PPG again in 2014.
As good as Muschamp seemed on defense, UF's scoring defense wasn't any better than it had been under Spurrier or Meyer, and it was only a little bit better than what Zook did, and that is mostly because of the one season in 2012 when UF was amazing on defense. In 2011, UF gave up 20.3 PPG, so it's not like the defense was all that dominant on the scoreboard in the Muschamp tenure outside of 2012.
It would not surprise me if UF allowed less than 20 PPG this season.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:54 am to GeauxToBed
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ETA: Brandon Harris is light years ahead of Treon Harris and every other QB on Florida's roster, so there's that.
The stats don't show that....
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:55 am to slayerxing
all of that is great, but meaningless as it relates to 2015.
I could easily say that UGA's offense has put up record shattering numbers the past several years, but we have a new OC now so that other stuff doesn't really matter going into this year.
I could easily say that UGA's offense has put up record shattering numbers the past several years, but we have a new OC now so that other stuff doesn't really matter going into this year.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:56 am to boXerrumble
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ECU, UGA, South Carolina, FSU, Ole Miss, and depending on whom LSU starts, all have new QBs.
True, but UF will be an underdog to UGA, FSU, Ole Miss, LSU. and USCe. Those teams for the most part are just likely better than UF.
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If the offense does anything better, and it can't be much worse, I don't see why UF can't challenge for the East.
But what do I know? I guess I'm just a sunshine pumper with O&B glasses on
I think McElwain will definitely give UF a puncher's chance, unlike last year. 1st year coaches don't typically win divisions in the SEC.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:56 am to GeauxToBed
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Brandon Harris is light years ahead of Treon Harris and every other QB on Florida's roster, so there's that.
Not sure how you can say this.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:02 am to boXerrumble
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how exactly is UF going to be worse record wise?
Weren't y'all 6-5 last year in the regular season? I don't think y'all will necessarily do worse, but the schedule doesn't help. FSU, LSU, Ole Miss, UGA, Tennessee, and probably Mizzou will all be favored against y'all. UK has y'all at home as well. You very well could go 9-3 or 8-4 because McElwain has proven to be a very good offensive mind, but I do think it's a little ridiculous at this point to think you'll allow less than 20 points a game. That would probably make y'all a top 15 defense in the nation, and I don't really see that at this point.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:13 am to boXerrumble
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how exactly is UF going to be worse record wise?
Problem is, SEC has alot of teams that some choose not to give their proper respect. UT is going to be ALOT better than most want to admit.Georgia, very strong,Ole Miss very good. You have Missouri,LSU, USCe, not to mention Florida State. Florida is going to be a better team this year than they were last year, but all the teams I mentioned are going to be improved from last year as well. Going to be a fun year this year in the SEC...A&M very strong, Arkansas bad-arse, Auburn bad-arse and Alabama...well, their Alabama. Can't wait,but I expect Florida to finish close to where they were last year, maybe one additional lost just due to everyone else improving as well.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:14 am to boXerrumble
OP's status: rustled.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:14 am to boXerrumble
FLorida sucks bro.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:16 am to boXerrumble
Even if your offense isn't worse, it won't be that much better. And you have new coaches/ schemes on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:22 am to Serraneaux
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FLorida sucks bro.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:24 am to WG_Dawg
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all of that is great, but meaningless as it relates to 2015.
I could easily say that UGA's offense has put up record shattering numbers the past several years, but we have a new OC now so that other stuff doesn't really matter going into this year.
The last 20 years, UF has had like 7 different DC's and 4 different head coaches, so yeah, it kind of matters, because what it speaks to, on the average, is that UF is good on defense regardless of who the coach is.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:27 am to slayerxing
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The last 20 years, UF has had like 7 different DC's and 4 different head coaches, so yeah, it kind of matters
slayer, dude....c'mon.
Whatever your situation was 20 years ago couldn't be any less meaningful relating to this season. Collins has been UF's DC for exactly 0 games, so no, we don't know how good they'll be and the stats from 20 years ago don't prove anything.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 9:29 am to slayerxing
I've always thought that Florida will always have the athletes on defense to be very good. That's why offensive minded coaches have been more successful at Florida since 1990 than defensive minded coaches. If the offensive line stays relatively healthy and Grier is a serviceable quarterback, the Gators will shock some people and be more competitive than anybody gives them credit for.
It blows my mind how much disrespect the Gators are getting from the media and analysts. The Gators have athletes and talent, no matter what any of the posters on this board may think, and if Florida can improve at all on offense, they will be dangerous this year. I'm thinking 8-4 (4-4) and 3rd in the East behind UGA and Mizzou, and tied with Tennessee (and the Gators winning head to head against the Vols to be in 3rd place)
It blows my mind how much disrespect the Gators are getting from the media and analysts. The Gators have athletes and talent, no matter what any of the posters on this board may think, and if Florida can improve at all on offense, they will be dangerous this year. I'm thinking 8-4 (4-4) and 3rd in the East behind UGA and Mizzou, and tied with Tennessee (and the Gators winning head to head against the Vols to be in 3rd place)
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 9:31 am
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