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re: Had an interesting conversation with a former SEC football player
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:08 pm to StopRobot
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:08 pm to StopRobot
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Theres a reason the rules specifically say "non-import players" instead of just players. Wiki is wrong
OK. Then what are the rules for import players? I can't find them, and you seem to be the expert.
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:28 pm to Syd
Heard if from a friend who, heard if from a friend who, heard it from another you've been sleeping around...
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:33 pm to Tigerfan56
Who pays the taxes on that "perfectly legal " money ?
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:01 pm to oldwave
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Who pays the taxes on that "perfectly legal " money ?
The guy who earned it before he used it in the form of "financial aid".
Meet the Bag Man
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:15 pm to GnashRebel
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I think college football succeeds because of the tradition, regional affiliation, etc. I don't think you can replicate that in a way that would be financially viable.
Not so sure. Every sport outside of college succeeds. You would still have the regional draw.
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USFL and Arena league have not been long term successes and players hold off the field jobs at the very least for Arena.
Arena has been around since 1987, believe it or not.
I DO understand what you are saying, though, and grudgingly have to agree. But I think it would be more like minor league baseball than a crappy NFL.
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If there was real money to be made, don't you think someone would have cracked the business model by now?
Not really. Profitable ideas come along all the time. Facebook for one example. Online banking, direct deposit for paychecks, reverse mortgages, etc.
But, yeah....I know that it probably would not work. however, somebody said nobody would be interested in doing it. Somebody, I would imagine would be interested, and the USFL and the other stuff says that people are ALWAYS interested in new ideas.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:17 pm to Kilgore Trout
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The guy who earned it before he used it in the form of "financial aid".
You DO know it doesn't work that way, right? Your company makes money and pays taxes on it. then they take some of that money and pays you. You know what YOU do? You pay taxes on it. The government gets as many cuts as they can.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:38 pm to MontyFranklyn
Student athletes should absolutely get paid. There is no reason not too, especially when you consider how much money the programs make. I get that some sports don't make any money and really that football is the big money make for a lot of teams. However, you can still pay these players, and still have the school profiting off them. You could base a % off the profits of each sport and divide that among the players. Also sells of jerseys and other merchandise that basically represents a player, like jersey number, could go to that player (small %). So the more popular a player (meaning the bigger the star), then the more that player can get paid.
Or you could have a base pay for all the power 5 conferences in the big 3 sports or other sports as well. Sure some sports will get left out, but then again how many of those athletes are on scholarship to begin with.
Or you could have a base pay for all the power 5 conferences in the big 3 sports or other sports as well. Sure some sports will get left out, but then again how many of those athletes are on scholarship to begin with.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:43 pm to DawgsLife
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You DO know it doesn't work that way, right? Your company makes money and pays taxes on it. then they take some of that money and pays you. You know what YOU do? You pay taxes on it. The government gets as many cuts as they can.
I wasn't denying any of the above. Bag man assistance comes from net income, not gross.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:17 pm to DawgGONIT
They do get paid, and paid very well.
They get the best of everything compared to the average student paying for tuition, room and board, and a cafeteria plan.
Supplementally, they have exposure to showcase their talents to a very high salary profession. They have access to free nutritionist, free training , free tutoring etc. to help navigate that journey to the promised land.
If they are not NFL level talent after their eligibility, they can leave with a college degree and a strong network of friends and acquaintances. All free of monetary charge. Of course, nothing is truely free. One has to work as agreed in the contract to fulfill the obligation. The work here is in the form of practicing and perfecting ones football skill to its highest potential to make the employer money. They are paid very well.
They get the best of everything compared to the average student paying for tuition, room and board, and a cafeteria plan.
Supplementally, they have exposure to showcase their talents to a very high salary profession. They have access to free nutritionist, free training , free tutoring etc. to help navigate that journey to the promised land.
If they are not NFL level talent after their eligibility, they can leave with a college degree and a strong network of friends and acquaintances. All free of monetary charge. Of course, nothing is truely free. One has to work as agreed in the contract to fulfill the obligation. The work here is in the form of practicing and perfecting ones football skill to its highest potential to make the employer money. They are paid very well.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:35 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
quote:Take that up with the price gauging Universities.
College students of today and yesterday foot the bill for these players. Tuition has tripled, fees for everything under the sun always getting increased. Joe Blow student has to take out crazy loans to get through school.
quote:Yea, but when you are part of something that brings in millions and millions of dollars to the University you get those perks. If Joe Blow wanted to eat for free he should have ran a 4.3
D1 football player gets a special lunch hall with all the free food they can possibly eat, a monthly cash stipend, special tutors for free to either a) help them learn b) write their papers for them c) take their online tests d) suck them off from time to time e) coordinate w/ academic staff how to keep your lazy arse eligible
quote:Again people profit off of their physical abilities before they can even do it.
Then there's the scholarship itself and the pell grant extra cash if you came from a poor enough family and then a little spending cash from the right booster.
quote:They do all of this
College is when you're supposed to figure out how to live within reason, to budget and work hard and make things work out. Juggle classes, studying, a job, maybe two or an odd job here and there and a social life.
quote:Because CBS didn't pay the conference nine figures for broadcasting rights for tests.
I don't have much sympathy for a fella that always has his hand out asking for more and more. Not a single academic student on any campus in America gets a $100 handshake after acing a test or writing a compelling essay or doing something really interesting in a research project.
America get your priorities right.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:39 pm to Dick Leverage
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If they are not NFL level talent after their eligibility, they can leave with a college degree and a strong network of friends and acquaintances. All free of monetary charge. Of course, nothing is truely free. One has to work as agreed in the contract to fulfill the obligation. The work here is in the form of practicing and perfecting ones football skill to its highest potential to make the employer money. They are paid very well.
So they get stuff, but that isn't the same as being paid.
For most of the top tier talent, would they even go to that college if not for football? For some kids it is obvious they don't give a F about college. I know that they can get some money legally from the college, but why not let them get a % of jersey sells, which is only selling based off of that players 'likeness' (like every buying a #3 UGA jersey, knows it is Gurley, etc) or other similar means?
Does it seem fair that the SEC made $455 million in 2015 yet most of the student athletes don't get any actual cash. For some sports, like football, players don't have any other options really if they want to try and make it in the NFL. Seems like Gurley and AJ Green thinks they should be paid as well.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:41 pm to MontyFranklyn
My freshman year I smoked with two players and got some free xbox games from another. I know they get paid well. All from the outside though. These guys do it to feel like they're a part of the program.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:23 pm to MontyFranklyn
What was this kid's mother doing for money before he became an SEC Football player?
Posted on 5/5/16 at 8:07 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Well I'm just tired of everyone playing this stupid game like their team's players don't get money from boosters. Stop judging and being all preachy about Ole Miss if you aren't going to get preachy about your own damn school.
I agree, I've said the same before. And shame on all of our players who agree to something and then break that agreement.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 7:48 am to MontyFranklyn
I knew a prominent Old Miss player that went on to the NFL. He spoke of cash filled handshakes from boosters. This was over 10 years ago.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 8:49 am to TheSwineAssault
I've witnessed it firsthand.
Without going into details, when Logan Young's name was mentioned when Bama first got in trouble in the late 90's, I knew we were fricked.
I do also know there was at least one assistant coach during that time that told players to stay away from Young. Some didn't listen.
Without going into details, when Logan Young's name was mentioned when Bama first got in trouble in the late 90's, I knew we were fricked.
I do also know there was at least one assistant coach during that time that told players to stay away from Young. Some didn't listen.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:11 am to oldwave
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Who pays the taxes on that "perfectly legal " money ?
Gifts up to a certain amount aren't taxable. Try again.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:19 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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I don't have much sympathy for a fella that always has his hand out asking for more and more. Not a single academic student on any campus in America gets a $100 handshake after acing a test or writing a compelling essay or doing something really interesting in a research project.
Normal college students are there for school. Tunsil isn't a normal student. He's there for football, and if he could go to the NFL sooner he would. A free education in reality means nothing to elite players like him. You'd have to be dense to argue otherwise. Speaking of normal college students, since that's the comparison you want, do they get punished if they accept $5k as a gift from someone?
I'll wait for your answer as to why that's different and acceptable.
Dude asked for money and someone gave it to him. All through legal means. If you're gonna be upset with anyone, be upset with the booster who gave it to him. He's a poor inner city kid. Frankly no one here can relate to going from nothing to random boosters offering you hundred dollar bills. I'd imagine most in his situation would do the same despite the holier than thou crusading some of you do against someone breaking a stupid NCAA rule.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:24 am to 14&Counting
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The NFL and the college powers have no interest in changing the status quo which serves them.
If the players dont take advantage of a free education that on them. Not only that but its the schools that pay for the stage these players perform on. The schools foot the bill for games, housing,food, and some of the best medical care on the planet. Stop acting like more than 1% of cfb players have takent enough for to get paid to play football
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:46 am to DawgGONIT
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So they get stuff, but that isn't the same as being paid.
For most of the top tier talent, would they even go to that college if not for football? For some kids it is obvious they don't give a F about college. I know that they can get some money legally from the college, but why not let them get a % of jersey sells, which is only selling based off of that players 'likeness' (like every buying a #3 UGA jersey, knows it is Gurley, etc) or other similar means?
Does it seem fair that the SEC made $455 million in 2015 yet most of the student athletes don't get any actual cash. For some sports, like football, players don't have any other options really if they want to try and make it in the NFL. Seems like Gurley and AJ Green thinks they should be paid as well.
ok how about this model. instead of giving athletes free clothing, tutors, lodging, food, etc., schools just provide them with their scholarship for school and then give them cash value for all of this other stuff. Then, the players are responsible for managing that money to pay for lodging, food, clothing, etc.
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