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Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:11 am
how quick the NCAA hearing was this week? It took two days. If I'm not mistaken, they blocked out a week for the hearing.
Is that to be considered a good thing or bad thing for Ole Miss?
I'd love to hear from attorneys with ALJ practice experience.
Is that to be considered a good thing or bad thing for Ole Miss?
I'd love to hear from attorneys with ALJ practice experience.
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:12 am to DeltaDoc
I think 2-3 days is the norm.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:16 am to StopRobot
Is that the norm with that many charges? I figured they'd spend a couple hours be outstanding allegation.
Is the hearing just something for the committee to ask questions on unsettled/undeciddd issues between the responses?
Is the hearing just something for the committee to ask questions on unsettled/undeciddd issues between the responses?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:18 am to DeltaDoc
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Is that the norm with that many charges?
OM only challenged a handful
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:19 am to DeltaDoc
It was blocked for 3 days at the hotel conference rooms, but little I've read, seems positive but no one really knows
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:20 am to StopRobot
quote:I think 1 is the norm actually. They blocked out 3 just in case but planned all along to finish in 2. I don't take anything away from how long it went.
I think 2-3 days is the norm.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:23 am to REBEL5 AC
No one does know but common sense says there wasn't much arguing going on if it didn't take the full allotted time frame.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:30 am to DeltaDoc
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Good or Bad News For OM Regarding...
how quick the NCAA hearing was this week? It took two days. If I'm not mistaken, they blocked out a week for the hearing.
2 was expected but they booked 3 just in case it spilled over.
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Is that to be considered a good thing or bad thing for Ole Miss?
I don't think you can glean anything from it.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:32 am to DeltaDoc
We only argued like 9 of 21 allegations, hence the shorter than expected time.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:41 am to DeltaDoc
They'd scheduled it to be 3 days. It was 2. I'd imagine if Ole Miss had an elaborate defense with volumes of evidence to share it would have spilled over into a 3rd day.
Sounds like OM didn't dispute much. It probably means what we've thought all along: 24 scholarships lost, 2 year bowl ban, 5 years probation, show causes for Freeze, Barney, Kiffin (unless he rolled on them, but even a show cause won't impact his job at FAU - only a future stop).
Sounds like OM didn't dispute much. It probably means what we've thought all along: 24 scholarships lost, 2 year bowl ban, 5 years probation, show causes for Freeze, Barney, Kiffin (unless he rolled on them, but even a show cause won't impact his job at FAU - only a future stop).
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:45 am to DeltaDoc
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Blocked out a week.....
Is Elite Dawgs your source? They usually take 2-3 days so three days blocked off
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:48 am to DeltaDoc
UNC had 3 amended letters and iirc their August hearing only took a couple of days. Also, OM only challenged a handful of the charges.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:39 am to DeltaDoc
I think it can't be good.
The way I view it:
Ole Miss- (arguing allegation)
NCAA- "No, stays the same"
And so on and so on for each allegation.
The way I view it:
Ole Miss- (arguing allegation)
NCAA- "No, stays the same"
And so on and so on for each allegation.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:42 am to TSUNgummybear
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I think it can't be good.
The way I view it:
Ole Miss- (arguing allegation)
NCAA- "No, stays the same"
And so on and so on for each allegation.
I honestly don't know but my gut agrees with you, if the NCAA was entertaining much argument one would think it would have drug out a bit.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:47 am to cave canem
The COI stayed over and met the 3rd day supposedly without Ole Miss and the NCAA investigators to discuss the case.
I think at most 2 year bowl ban, was worried 3 going in. the One year still at play. If they throw out the Leo Lewis stuff I think it can stay at 1 year, because Leo was pretty much the whole 2nd NOA.
I think at most 2 year bowl ban, was worried 3 going in. the One year still at play. If they throw out the Leo Lewis stuff I think it can stay at 1 year, because Leo was pretty much the whole 2nd NOA.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:47 am to bamasgot13
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I'd imagine if Ole Miss had an elaborate defense with volumes of evidence to share it would have spilled over into a 3rd day.
According to what Ole Miss fans have been told, their side was the prepared side. The investigative arm and Leo's side... not so much. I know for 100% certainty that most Bama and MSU fans will call that spin and dismiss it, but to each his own.
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Sounds like OM didn't dispute much.
Ole Miss fans were told the exact opposite in terms of the Leo Lewis, Kobe Jones, etc and how it pertains to LOIC and Failure to Monitor charges. Ole Miss showed up to fight in that regard. They already to admitted to the stuff during Nutt's tenure and some of the mickey mouse charges on Day 1.
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24 scholarships lost, 2 year bowl ban, 5 years probation, show causes for Freeze, Barney, Kiffin (unless he rolled on them, but even a show cause won't impact his job at FAU - only a future stop).
Seems a bit excessive considering the Investigators "star witness" produced no tangible evidence in pay-for-play. You may be right tho - who knows?
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:03 am to Billy Mays
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I know for 100% certainty that most Bama and MSU fans will call that spin and dismiss it, but to each his own.
You don't see how anyone NOT associated with or a fan of Ole Miss might view that as spin? Especially given that the info from your media (fed to them by your admin) has consistently been incomplete at best, and flat out spin at worst?
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Ole Miss fans were told the exact opposite in terms of the Leo Lewis
Remove Lewis from the equation for arguments sake. OM still had double digit Level One violations WITHOUT Lewis. You guys keep getting hung up on him (while conveniently forgetting the texts from Barney, the Atty Booster, and the Atty Booster's assistant). You act like he's the entire case. He's a fractional percentage of the 20+ violations in football.
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LOIC and Failure to Monitor charges
I feel for you guys. I honestly do. We lived it in the late 90's early 2000's. You don't see what's happening bc you don't want to see it, so you believe anything that is told to you that gives you hope. Bama fans have been there. We can relate. That said, you were found guilty of violations WHILE being investigated. You've proven to have LOIC and a Failure to Monitor. Additionally, the NCAA said that you "failed to reach the standard of exemplary cooperation". It is what it is at this point.
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Seems a bit excessive considering the Investigators "star witness" produced no tangible evidence in pay-for-play.
The penalties I predicted seem about right given the matrix they use for Level 1s even if you take out the allegations by the "star witness", which I doubt happens, but I get why OM fans cling to that hope. My prediction of 24 lost, 2 yrs bowl ban, 5 yrs probation, and show causes might be light actually.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:03 am to GreyReb
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I think at most 2 year bowl ban, was worried 3 going in. the One year still at play. If they throw out the Leo Lewis stuff I think it can stay at 1 year, because Leo was pretty much the whole 2nd NOA.
You will get two additional to the self imposed and the LL stuff will not be thrown out. That's not even up for debate.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:03 am to TrueReb13
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TrueReb13
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Is Elite Dawgs your source?
Are you sure that you want to compare and contrast sources?
Tell axel and vampireb "hi"
Somebody is using rebeloke as well. Couldn't be the same guy though, 'cause none of y'all read the Spirit. Right?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:08 am to Billy Mays
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According to what Ole Miss fans have been told, their side was the prepared side. The investigative arm and Leo's side... not so much. I know for 100% certainty that most Bama and MSU fans will call that spin and dismiss it, but to each his own.
Because Ole Miss people have been sooooooo right about this so far.
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Ole Miss fans were told the exact opposite in terms of the Leo Lewis, Kobe Jones, etc and how it pertains to LOIC and Failure to Monitor charges. Ole Miss showed up to fight in that regard. They already to admitted to the stuff during Nutt's tenure and some of the mickey mouse charges on Day 1.
LL stuff will remain. LOIC is almost guaranteed.
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Seems a bit excessive considering the Investigators "star witness" produced no tangible evidence in pay-for-play. You may be right tho - who knows?
You do realize that the NCAA cares far less about "pay to play" as they do academic fraud, coaches and staff setting up meetings between boosters and recruits, and the fact that this is systemic over a long period of time involving multiple sports, coaches, and staff.
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