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Gauging Confidence in Coaches for 2017/2018
Posted on 11/6/16 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 11/6/16 at 4:56 pm
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Flarda
Jim might not be the long-term answer but I think the earliest he would be fired is at the end of 2018. The Flarda program is really hard to gauge though.
Verdict - McElwain fine until 2018 season and then his seat is on fire
Vandy
They look surprisingly competitive. I like Derek Mason and I think he's a quality defensive coach and will land at a good place when it's all said and done. But he's not recruiting well against a mediocre UT and Florida and a down Georgia. He doesn't have the swagger that Franklin had and I think he was always going to be in Franklin's shadow.
Verdict - Derek Mason will probably get one more year to be mediocre and then he's toast after 2017
Tennessee
I think UT beats Kentucky by a touchdown next weekend and wins out. Big East Butch will claim that the ship has been righted and he will be fine until next year. As far as next year: I think UT drops bad losses to USC and possibly Kentucky with a close win over at least one of Flarda or Georgia. Worst case is a loss to Flarda and Georgia to start the season. In which case, Butch is still fricked.
I don't know what teams will be shopping for a coach before the 2018 season, but Petrino will be highly sought after. I don't see any way he leaves before Jackson leaves. If UT wants to be a player in the SEC again it's going to need Petrino or someone of his ilk. Big East Butch and his small-time swagger, gimmick recruiting tactics and flattop just aren't going to cut it. They need someone who can scheme and do more with less. Guarantano would thrive under a coach like Petrino. I think I'm over having commentators talk about our astrophysicist, PhD, Mensa QB who can't read a defense enough to know when a safety is lined up to blitz.
Verdict - Butch gone after 2017 season
Mizzou - lol mizzou. They can't recruit, football or otherwise. They can't bring in a big name coach to right the ship. Barry Odom is probably in a really bad place right now emotionally. I'd say he gets two more years because expectations are so low. Can you even imagine trying to recruit a top 100 player to Mizzou right now? May God bless Barry Odom and his family.
Verdict - Odom fine through 2018 because the program is so far in the tank
Georgia
Contrary to popular opinion, I think the dawgs will see significant improvement next year. They've already figured out the most important position on the field with Jacob Eason. Dude is a freshman and he's handling himself really well. He'll be better next year and I think Georgia can start 4-0 next year with "good" wins over a shitty Notre Dame team and an average Miss State team (with an underrated QB). The game with UT could potentially pit two undefeated (and probably overrated) teams against each other. The problem with Georgia is that there are a lot of quitters and losers on that team, so if they run into problems early in the year, it may really hurt their team psyche.
Verdict - Kirby Smart will not have a warm seat for the foreseeable future. Will be fine for 2017 and 2018.
Kentucky
I think Stoops is good for the program in the short term. He's restoring some respect to the program (similar to Lyle Jones at UT) but I think he has questionable character (wife left him and there are rumors that he's gotten a student pregnant). If we rewind back to before the Vanderbilt game, everyone at UK was pretty much over Stoops and ready to move on. Then he rattled off three wins and looked competent again. Good for him, but I think the shine has worn off and a rough season in 2017 could signal the beginning of the end for him.
Verdict - Stoops fine unless he hits another rough patch in 2017
South Carolina
I've always thought Muschamp should have started at a smaller SEC school - Not a slight to SC to say they have different expectations than Flarda. That being said, I also thought Muschamp was a lost cause because of his temperament. Apologies to Cocks fans.
Everyone shite on the Muschamp hire but the Cocks may get the last laugh, especially if they can pull it out against Flarda this week.
He's still a hothead and there are no guarantees he won't meltdown and start tinkering with the coordinators, but things are looking surprisingly promising for the Cocks. In the SEC stock market, the Cocks are probably the best buy right now, with A&M and Ole Miss being the worst.
A big win over NC state could lead SC to start next season at 4-0 before they hit a tough stretch at Kyle Field, at home against Bert and the Hogs, and at Neyland. If they can win one of those 3, it'll be a win for Muschamp.The 2017 schedule is tough so I think 2018 will be SC's year to push for the SEC East.
Verdict - Muschamp will be around for awhile in Columbia.
Flarda
Jim might not be the long-term answer but I think the earliest he would be fired is at the end of 2018. The Flarda program is really hard to gauge though.
Verdict - McElwain fine until 2018 season and then his seat is on fire
Vandy
They look surprisingly competitive. I like Derek Mason and I think he's a quality defensive coach and will land at a good place when it's all said and done. But he's not recruiting well against a mediocre UT and Florida and a down Georgia. He doesn't have the swagger that Franklin had and I think he was always going to be in Franklin's shadow.
Verdict - Derek Mason will probably get one more year to be mediocre and then he's toast after 2017
Tennessee
I think UT beats Kentucky by a touchdown next weekend and wins out. Big East Butch will claim that the ship has been righted and he will be fine until next year. As far as next year: I think UT drops bad losses to USC and possibly Kentucky with a close win over at least one of Flarda or Georgia. Worst case is a loss to Flarda and Georgia to start the season. In which case, Butch is still fricked.
I don't know what teams will be shopping for a coach before the 2018 season, but Petrino will be highly sought after. I don't see any way he leaves before Jackson leaves. If UT wants to be a player in the SEC again it's going to need Petrino or someone of his ilk. Big East Butch and his small-time swagger, gimmick recruiting tactics and flattop just aren't going to cut it. They need someone who can scheme and do more with less. Guarantano would thrive under a coach like Petrino. I think I'm over having commentators talk about our astrophysicist, PhD, Mensa QB who can't read a defense enough to know when a safety is lined up to blitz.
Verdict - Butch gone after 2017 season
Mizzou - lol mizzou. They can't recruit, football or otherwise. They can't bring in a big name coach to right the ship. Barry Odom is probably in a really bad place right now emotionally. I'd say he gets two more years because expectations are so low. Can you even imagine trying to recruit a top 100 player to Mizzou right now? May God bless Barry Odom and his family.
Verdict - Odom fine through 2018 because the program is so far in the tank
Georgia
Contrary to popular opinion, I think the dawgs will see significant improvement next year. They've already figured out the most important position on the field with Jacob Eason. Dude is a freshman and he's handling himself really well. He'll be better next year and I think Georgia can start 4-0 next year with "good" wins over a shitty Notre Dame team and an average Miss State team (with an underrated QB). The game with UT could potentially pit two undefeated (and probably overrated) teams against each other. The problem with Georgia is that there are a lot of quitters and losers on that team, so if they run into problems early in the year, it may really hurt their team psyche.
Verdict - Kirby Smart will not have a warm seat for the foreseeable future. Will be fine for 2017 and 2018.
Kentucky
I think Stoops is good for the program in the short term. He's restoring some respect to the program (similar to Lyle Jones at UT) but I think he has questionable character (wife left him and there are rumors that he's gotten a student pregnant). If we rewind back to before the Vanderbilt game, everyone at UK was pretty much over Stoops and ready to move on. Then he rattled off three wins and looked competent again. Good for him, but I think the shine has worn off and a rough season in 2017 could signal the beginning of the end for him.
Verdict - Stoops fine unless he hits another rough patch in 2017
South Carolina
I've always thought Muschamp should have started at a smaller SEC school - Not a slight to SC to say they have different expectations than Flarda. That being said, I also thought Muschamp was a lost cause because of his temperament. Apologies to Cocks fans.
Everyone shite on the Muschamp hire but the Cocks may get the last laugh, especially if they can pull it out against Flarda this week.
He's still a hothead and there are no guarantees he won't meltdown and start tinkering with the coordinators, but things are looking surprisingly promising for the Cocks. In the SEC stock market, the Cocks are probably the best buy right now, with A&M and Ole Miss being the worst.
A big win over NC state could lead SC to start next season at 4-0 before they hit a tough stretch at Kyle Field, at home against Bert and the Hogs, and at Neyland. If they can win one of those 3, it'll be a win for Muschamp.The 2017 schedule is tough so I think 2018 will be SC's year to push for the SEC East.
Verdict - Muschamp will be around for awhile in Columbia.
This post was edited on 11/6/16 at 7:20 pm
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Posted on 11/6/16 at 4:57 pm to Pecker
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Texas A&M
Oh Aggies, what have you done? The SEC West was your canvas and you painted it with shite. I want to console you and tell you that everything will be Ok, but I just don't believe that to be true. If John Chavis can't put together a good defense with the players you have now, I worry for the future of your program. You may be one of the top 10 most talented teams in the country (even after this season), and you'd probably win the Big 12, but as far as the SEC West is concerned, you're middle of the road. The loss to Miss State was not only embarrassing for your program, it was a bad look for the SEC in general.
I don't know how many games Sumlin needs to win next year to keep his job, but I don't think it matters. Without a big-name, proven winner, I don't think you'll be able to pull enough talent to compete with Bama and LSU (and possibly Ole Miss if they are allowed to keep paying players). Chip Kelly, Petrino or someone like that would kill it at A&M. Outside of that, I think you're a perennial 3rd place in the West team.
Verdict - Sumlin's seat will be really hot by the end of 2017 and may not be around after the bowl games
LSU
LSU is such an interesting case - the most interesting in all of football as far as I'm concerned. I believe they have the 2nd most talent in all of college football behind Alabama. Their players have an edge to them that you don't see anywhere else in the country. The downside to this edge is that when you get past that Bitch I'm from Louisiana edge, there isn't a lot of depth there. The players choose when and when not to play to their potential. Part of this is coaching, but I think there's some weird cultural aspect to it with Louisiana players in general. Was Les Miles really the problem? Is Coach O the solution then?
Anyone can recruit there. Anyone can win there - Coach O, as likable as he is, isn't some football genius. He's a coonass who sounds like a caricature of a Louisiana football coach. I'm not sure who this special coach is who can motivate the players to play with the effort they show against Alabama every year, but there is a deep-seeded issue with LSU playrs that I think is more important than the coach himself.
LSU has 3 really tough games coming up at Arkansas, at home against Flarda and at A&M. They have more talent than any of the teams they will play to close out the year and I have NO idea how they will play. They could go 3-0 and it would make perfect sense. They could drop all three and I wouldn't be surprised at all. Welcome to LSU football.
Verdict - Maybe Coach O gets another year if they run the table. I have no idea wtf to expect
Ole Miss
Hugh Freeze cheats any everyone knows it. I have no idea if they will catch the big dick of the NCAA, but if they do, Hugh Freeze will be on borrowed time. I don't think they will have a better season next year with a talented but green QB in either Shea Patterson or Pellerin. I assume it will be Patterson.
Ole Miss is currently ranked 54 in recruiting for 2017. Fifty-Four. Behind Wake Forest, Oregon State, Syracuse, Iowa State, West Virginia, Northwestern...etc. PJ Fleck and Western Michigan are currently out-recruiting Ole Miss. Although PJ is kind of a good coach and has his team undefeated so I'll give you that one. This is what Ole Miss looks like when high school players aren't getting shoe boxes filled with $100's, a rolex and weed.
Verdict - Freeze gone after 2017 if NCAA drops the hammer
Miss State
Huge win over A&M makes Dan Mullen look competent again. Nick Fitzgerald looks surprisingly good and could probably start for multiple competitive SEC teams. The downside is the bad defense and the gauntlet of the SEC West that Dan Mullen's crew has to survive every year. I don't see any reason to get rid of him as if he's underachieving there. Let's not pretend like Miss State is supposed to be playing for SEC tilahs.
Verdict - Dan Mullen is fine for the foreseeable future. Maybe gets warm in 2018 if Fitzgerald falls apart.
Auburn
Gus Malzahn has Auburn playing well again but his autistic tendencies have worn thin on the Auburn faithful. He doesn't have a lot of room for error because he's simply not a likable guy. If Auburn can remain competitive in the 2017 season I think Gus is fine. In 2017 I think Auburn can get some wins over Arkansas, Miss State, Ole Miss and A&M.
Verdict - Gus will be fine through 2017 if Auburn wins games they should win
Arkansas
Burt is a good coach and I think he'd win games at a lot of schools but his teams are not built to win in the SEC West. He's a Big 10 coach with a Big 10 mindset trying to win games in the SEC West.
I don't see how Arkansas could fire him and expect better though. Feel kind of bad for them because they have an awesome QB who I believe is one of the best in the country and easily the best in the SEC. If Arkansas were in the SEC East, they'd be going to Atlanta.
I think 8-4 seasons are fine in 2016, 2017 and 2018 for Bert and Arkansas. But when you go 8-4, losses like 56-3 can get you fired.
Verdict - Bert's seat gets hot in 2017. A bad loss in 2018 gets him fired after the season.
Alabama
Nick Saban made a deal with Satan and will pay in the afterlife. Until then, he's going to keep running the most impressive football machine I've ever seen. The Alabama football program makes Pete Carroll's USC program look like child's play.
Verdict - Nick Saban practices black magic
Texas A&M
Oh Aggies, what have you done? The SEC West was your canvas and you painted it with shite. I want to console you and tell you that everything will be Ok, but I just don't believe that to be true. If John Chavis can't put together a good defense with the players you have now, I worry for the future of your program. You may be one of the top 10 most talented teams in the country (even after this season), and you'd probably win the Big 12, but as far as the SEC West is concerned, you're middle of the road. The loss to Miss State was not only embarrassing for your program, it was a bad look for the SEC in general.
I don't know how many games Sumlin needs to win next year to keep his job, but I don't think it matters. Without a big-name, proven winner, I don't think you'll be able to pull enough talent to compete with Bama and LSU (and possibly Ole Miss if they are allowed to keep paying players). Chip Kelly, Petrino or someone like that would kill it at A&M. Outside of that, I think you're a perennial 3rd place in the West team.
Verdict - Sumlin's seat will be really hot by the end of 2017 and may not be around after the bowl games
LSU
LSU is such an interesting case - the most interesting in all of football as far as I'm concerned. I believe they have the 2nd most talent in all of college football behind Alabama. Their players have an edge to them that you don't see anywhere else in the country. The downside to this edge is that when you get past that Bitch I'm from Louisiana edge, there isn't a lot of depth there. The players choose when and when not to play to their potential. Part of this is coaching, but I think there's some weird cultural aspect to it with Louisiana players in general. Was Les Miles really the problem? Is Coach O the solution then?
Anyone can recruit there. Anyone can win there - Coach O, as likable as he is, isn't some football genius. He's a coonass who sounds like a caricature of a Louisiana football coach. I'm not sure who this special coach is who can motivate the players to play with the effort they show against Alabama every year, but there is a deep-seeded issue with LSU playrs that I think is more important than the coach himself.
LSU has 3 really tough games coming up at Arkansas, at home against Flarda and at A&M. They have more talent than any of the teams they will play to close out the year and I have NO idea how they will play. They could go 3-0 and it would make perfect sense. They could drop all three and I wouldn't be surprised at all. Welcome to LSU football.
Verdict - Maybe Coach O gets another year if they run the table. I have no idea wtf to expect
Ole Miss
Hugh Freeze cheats any everyone knows it. I have no idea if they will catch the big dick of the NCAA, but if they do, Hugh Freeze will be on borrowed time. I don't think they will have a better season next year with a talented but green QB in either Shea Patterson or Pellerin. I assume it will be Patterson.
Ole Miss is currently ranked 54 in recruiting for 2017. Fifty-Four. Behind Wake Forest, Oregon State, Syracuse, Iowa State, West Virginia, Northwestern...etc. PJ Fleck and Western Michigan are currently out-recruiting Ole Miss. Although PJ is kind of a good coach and has his team undefeated so I'll give you that one. This is what Ole Miss looks like when high school players aren't getting shoe boxes filled with $100's, a rolex and weed.
Verdict - Freeze gone after 2017 if NCAA drops the hammer
Miss State
Huge win over A&M makes Dan Mullen look competent again. Nick Fitzgerald looks surprisingly good and could probably start for multiple competitive SEC teams. The downside is the bad defense and the gauntlet of the SEC West that Dan Mullen's crew has to survive every year. I don't see any reason to get rid of him as if he's underachieving there. Let's not pretend like Miss State is supposed to be playing for SEC tilahs.
Verdict - Dan Mullen is fine for the foreseeable future. Maybe gets warm in 2018 if Fitzgerald falls apart.
Auburn
Gus Malzahn has Auburn playing well again but his autistic tendencies have worn thin on the Auburn faithful. He doesn't have a lot of room for error because he's simply not a likable guy. If Auburn can remain competitive in the 2017 season I think Gus is fine. In 2017 I think Auburn can get some wins over Arkansas, Miss State, Ole Miss and A&M.
Verdict - Gus will be fine through 2017 if Auburn wins games they should win
Arkansas
Burt is a good coach and I think he'd win games at a lot of schools but his teams are not built to win in the SEC West. He's a Big 10 coach with a Big 10 mindset trying to win games in the SEC West.
I don't see how Arkansas could fire him and expect better though. Feel kind of bad for them because they have an awesome QB who I believe is one of the best in the country and easily the best in the SEC. If Arkansas were in the SEC East, they'd be going to Atlanta.
I think 8-4 seasons are fine in 2016, 2017 and 2018 for Bert and Arkansas. But when you go 8-4, losses like 56-3 can get you fired.
Verdict - Bert's seat gets hot in 2017. A bad loss in 2018 gets him fired after the season.
Alabama
Nick Saban made a deal with Satan and will pay in the afterlife. Until then, he's going to keep running the most impressive football machine I've ever seen. The Alabama football program makes Pete Carroll's USC program look like child's play.
Verdict - Nick Saban practices black magic
This post was edited on 11/6/16 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 11/6/16 at 5:41 pm to Pecker
Posted on 11/6/16 at 5:43 pm to Pecker
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Verdict - Nick Saban practices black magic
Nick Saban is into Spirit Cooking
Posted on 11/6/16 at 5:45 pm to Pecker
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I think I'm over having commentators talk about our astrophysicist, PhD, Mensa QB who can't read a defense enough to know when a safety is lined up to blitz.
This has ended me
Posted on 11/6/16 at 6:06 pm to Pecker
You're missing South Carolina.
Posted on 11/6/16 at 6:17 pm to SCLibertarian
Probably intentionally
Posted on 11/6/16 at 7:15 pm to SpringBokCock
my bad SC added
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:52 am to Pecker
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Jim might not be the long-term answer but I think the earliest he would be fired is at the end of 2018. The Flarda program is really hard to gauge though.
Verdict - McElwain fine until 2018 season and then his seat is on fire
Um. . . this needed to be the year he built up currency with fanbase and got the offense rolling so it can carry the team. Next season we replace between 7 and 9 starters on defense- if he doesn't put up a Florida 2007 level offense he's probably done a year from now.
If he drops the USCe game this week you can pretty much staet the countdown clock even if he's given 2017 for the sake of propriety.
Remember Mac's not the current AD's guy.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 10:55 am
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:18 am to Pecker
I agree, Butch will be fired next year.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:20 am to Pecker
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SEC West was your canvas and you painted it with shite.
This is poetry
Just shoot me
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:25 am to Pecker
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He's a Big 10 coach with a Big 10 mindset trying to win games in the SEC West.
What do you mean?
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:58 am to Pecker
Bielema is living on borrowed time if he retains Robb Smith and Smith does not have an epiphany on how to defend up tempo spread option teams.
It will be how Arkansas finishes this season and how the assistants look for next year that sets the table for Big Bert.
If we lose Dan Enos and keep Smith (who presumably doesn't figure out how to defend the scheme the rest of the conference favors) Bert could be in real trouble next year.
It will be how Arkansas finishes this season and how the assistants look for next year that sets the table for Big Bert.
If we lose Dan Enos and keep Smith (who presumably doesn't figure out how to defend the scheme the rest of the conference favors) Bert could be in real trouble next year.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:09 pm to Pecker
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(wife left him and there are rumors that he's gotten a student pregnant)
Both of those rumors were unfounded and Stoops still shows up at the games with his wife and kids.
People in Kentucky want Stoops to succeed because he's bringing in the type of players Kentucky rarely gets and next year has the potential to be one of our best on paper.
However, a lot of the things he gets criticized for (clock management, late game situations, disorganization, etc.) haven't completely gotten better. Assuming DJ Eliot gets canned at the end of the year hiring a DC who has some type of head coaching experience in the past could do wonders for the staff.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:30 pm to Pecker
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South Carolina
I've always thought Muschamp should have started at a smaller SEC school - Not a slight to SC to say they have different expectations than Flarda. That being said, I also thought Muschamp was a lost cause because of his temperament. Apologies to Cocks fans.
Everyone shite on the Muschamp hire but the Cocks may get the last laugh, especially if they can pull it out against Flarda this week.
He's still a hothead and there are no guarantees he won't meltdown and start tinkering with the coordinators, but things are looking surprisingly promising for the Cocks. In the SEC stock market, the Cocks are probably the best buy right now, with A&M and Ole Miss being the worst.
A big win over NC state could lead SC to start next season at 4-0 before they hit a tough stretch at Kyle Field, at home against Bert and the Hogs, and at Neyland. If they can win one of those 3, it'll be a win for Muschamp.The 2017 schedule is tough so I think 2018 will be SC's year to push for the SEC East.
Verdict - Muschamp will be around for awhile in Columbia.
Not bad ... but you missed on a couple of things.
Expectations are high at SC ... we're just a little more patient than Flarda fans. It's as simple as that.
Secondly, what is going to make or break Muschamp, and in this regard he has an advantage over the others because of his staff and his own ability .... but what is going to make or break Muschamp will be his ability to recruit at a very high level.
The instate talent is picking back-up again. He's got to get our fair share of the big timers in-state, plus he's got to win big games.
Expectations are no different here than at any of the upper half of the SEC ... we're simply more realistic, more patient. We always have been.
The thought that SC fans are happy with a bowl game every year is a complete and total myth. Besides, Spurrier raised expectations.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:32 pm to Pecker
Georgia and USC will be in contention to get killed in the SECCG next year
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