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Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:48 pm to DawgsLife
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Sorry. But you don't win anything when you are on probation. Surely you aren't trying to act like Auburn, now.
We were not on prohibited from winning the first one, the SEC presidents got together and voted to take it away after the fact. We were given the trophy already. And Bama won a national championship in 2009 while on probation.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 4:38 pm to Tolbert1906
Naw. Nothing more embarrassing than that lady Go GATA!
This post was edited on 8/28/16 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 8/28/16 at 4:41 pm to Korin
Ummmm.....I'm talking about Georgia?
Posted on 8/28/16 at 4:42 pm to bigDgator
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We were not on prohibited from winning the first one, the SEC presidents got together and voted to take it away after the fact.
Why? Answer this and you will probably answer your question.
ETA
On May 30, 1985, the presidents of the ten SEC-member universities voted 6–4 to vacate the Gators' 1984 SEC title and declared the team ineligible for the SEC championship during the upcoming 1985 and 1986 seasons because of the rule violations committed under Pell. The retroactive vacating of the 1984 championship, six months after the 1984 football season ended, drew an angry response from University of Florida president Marshall Criser, as well as Gators coaches, players and fans due to the retroactive nature of the decision and its perceived unfairness.
Now you are sounding like Missouri? Soooooo....Ole Miss. Then Auburn. Now Missouri?
Now, USCw had a National Championship vacated retroactively, due to their shenanigans with Reggie Bush. Do you believe they should keep their national Championship?
This post was edited on 8/28/16 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:25 pm to bigDgator
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We were given the trophy already.
We actually still have the trophy.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:27 pm to DawgsLife
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Now, USCw had a National Championship vacated retroactively, due to their shenanigans with Reggie Bush. Do you believe they should keep their national Championship?
No, but everyone knows who the best team in the country was.
Same with UF in the SEC in 1984.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:30 pm to CNB
quote:actually it's still funny to me, but if all we had was divisional titles to celebrate then it would be hilarious, but when you've been to the mountain top you can do or celebrate whatever you choose.
It's always funny until your school does it, eh?
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:58 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Stop stealing our shite Florida 
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:59 pm to bigDgator
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We were not on prohibited from winning the first one, the SEC presidents got together and voted to take it away after the fact.
Wrong doing is typically dealt with after the fact.
Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:00 pm to boXerrumble
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Same with UF in the SEC in 1984.
Cheaters.
Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:03 pm to Korin
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We actually still have the trophy.
Cheaters.
"Florida: Scandal Without Repentence
August 25, 1985|By Phil Hersh, Chicago Tribune.
GAINESVILLE, FLA. — At the end of May, the presidents of the Southeastern Conference overruled a decision of the conference`s executive committee and voted to strip the University of Florida of the 1984 football championship, the first the Gators had won in 53 years as a member of the SEC.
At the end of July, the president of the University of Florida was wearing one of the SEC championship rings the university had made for the 1984 team, which included two All-America players who admitted serious violations of NCAA regulations."
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Walt
UT '81
This post was edited on 8/28/16 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:05 pm to boXerrumble
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No, but everyone knows who the best team in the country was.
So you agree with the SEC decision to strip UF of the 1984 crown. The only one in 53 years?
Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:11 pm to bigDgator
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We were not on prohibited from winning the first one, the SEC presidents got together and voted to take it away after the fact.
Except in Sci-Fi thriller 'Minority Report' crimes are typically dealt with -- after - the - fact -.
MINORITY REPORT
Walt
UT '81
This post was edited on 8/28/16 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:26 pm to WhiskeyPapa
"Whatever the checks and balances should have been, Pell ignored them, partly out of panic over the team`s 0-10-1 record his first year. Pell, his assistants, players and boosters would be responsible for what the NCAA first alleged were 107 rules violations and later reduced to 59. Six members of the 1984 team were cited in the violations.
Many of the violations were minor--buying a T-shirt, buying a meal--but at least half were serious: using cash inducements to get players, scalping complimentary tickets at a profit for players and coaches, having a slush fund, providing illegal room and board and spying on opponents. After being granted immunity against loss of eligibility, All-America offensive tackle Lomas Brown admitted getting cash, having his tickets sold for cash and getting illegal lodging for himself and his parents. All-America linebacker Lorenzo Johnson admitted accepting money and scalping his tickets."
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Walt
UT '81
Many of the violations were minor--buying a T-shirt, buying a meal--but at least half were serious: using cash inducements to get players, scalping complimentary tickets at a profit for players and coaches, having a slush fund, providing illegal room and board and spying on opponents. After being granted immunity against loss of eligibility, All-America offensive tackle Lomas Brown admitted getting cash, having his tickets sold for cash and getting illegal lodging for himself and his parents. All-America linebacker Lorenzo Johnson admitted accepting money and scalping his tickets."
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Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:29 pm to WhiskeyPapa
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
"But Florida`s rules violations did not even include any of the academic improprieties revealed in the testimony of former academic coordinator Mike Brown, who also was used as a spy at opponents` practices, or in the lengthy investigation by the St. Petersburg Times. Brown alleged that half of Florida`s 28 recruits in 1981 could neither read nor write; the newspaper claimed that the 1981 team had 46 players below minimum entrance requirements, many of whom stayed eligible through courses like advanced power volleyball.
Pell, meanwhile, got the job done: By 1983, Florida had been to a fourth straight bowl game and had achieved its first Top 10 ranking in a final football poll. Only the SEC title would elude him, and that might have been Pell`s by the original terms of his resignation last Aug. 26. He resigned when it became apparent the NCAA investigation had turned up more than enough evidence of guilt, but he asked to coach the rest of the 1984 season."
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Walt
UT '81
"But Florida`s rules violations did not even include any of the academic improprieties revealed in the testimony of former academic coordinator Mike Brown, who also was used as a spy at opponents` practices, or in the lengthy investigation by the St. Petersburg Times. Brown alleged that half of Florida`s 28 recruits in 1981 could neither read nor write; the newspaper claimed that the 1981 team had 46 players below minimum entrance requirements, many of whom stayed eligible through courses like advanced power volleyball.
Pell, meanwhile, got the job done: By 1983, Florida had been to a fourth straight bowl game and had achieved its first Top 10 ranking in a final football poll. Only the SEC title would elude him, and that might have been Pell`s by the original terms of his resignation last Aug. 26. He resigned when it became apparent the NCAA investigation had turned up more than enough evidence of guilt, but he asked to coach the rest of the 1984 season."
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Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:39 pm to WhiskeyPapa
"``The hate that exists for Georgia is unbelievable,`` said Steinbrenner, the majority owner of the New York Yankees, who was found party to two minor violations. ``For Georgia to vote for recalling the trophy when it is on probation in two sports (football and basketball) is unbelievable.
'The desire to be No. 1, which has led dozens of universities astray of both their educational purpose and NCAA rules, is particularly deep-seated among Florida football fans. That their school, a charter member of the SEC, had never won a conference football title was bad enough. That Georgia had, in the Herschel Walker era, won three SEC titles and a national title made it even worse.
``The SEC championship was a singular goal I couldn`t understand until I got here,`` said journalism chairman Roosenraad, who came to Florida from Michigan State. ``The people were plainly tired of always playing Avis.``
T.J. Hawes, a fifth generation Floridian who was born in Tallahassee and has lived in Gainesville for 40 years, better understands the long yearnings for victory. It has led him to become a longtime supporter, scholarship booster and donor of automobiles to a university he did not graduate from.
Hawes is a soft-spoken, thoughtful man who owns a Chrysler-Plymouth agency that has equipped every car on the lot with a front license plate that says ``Gators.`` In his office are pictures of Pell and Hall.
``I don`t think we lost sight of the difference between right and wrong,`` Hawes said. ``But you can`t live in this city for all these years and hear, `This is the Year of the Gator, this is the Year of the Gator,` and then never have it happen without the fever and magnetism building to an unbelievable point.
``When you start with nothing and in a couple of years you`re contending for a national championship, if you`re the average person, you`ve got to defend this guy (Pell) out of loyalty to the school, the program and the team. In our fervor to excel and recognizing what we were competing against, we fell into a trap.``"
Cheaters.
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Walt
UT '81
'The desire to be No. 1, which has led dozens of universities astray of both their educational purpose and NCAA rules, is particularly deep-seated among Florida football fans. That their school, a charter member of the SEC, had never won a conference football title was bad enough. That Georgia had, in the Herschel Walker era, won three SEC titles and a national title made it even worse.
``The SEC championship was a singular goal I couldn`t understand until I got here,`` said journalism chairman Roosenraad, who came to Florida from Michigan State. ``The people were plainly tired of always playing Avis.``
T.J. Hawes, a fifth generation Floridian who was born in Tallahassee and has lived in Gainesville for 40 years, better understands the long yearnings for victory. It has led him to become a longtime supporter, scholarship booster and donor of automobiles to a university he did not graduate from.
Hawes is a soft-spoken, thoughtful man who owns a Chrysler-Plymouth agency that has equipped every car on the lot with a front license plate that says ``Gators.`` In his office are pictures of Pell and Hall.
``I don`t think we lost sight of the difference between right and wrong,`` Hawes said. ``But you can`t live in this city for all these years and hear, `This is the Year of the Gator, this is the Year of the Gator,` and then never have it happen without the fever and magnetism building to an unbelievable point.
``When you start with nothing and in a couple of years you`re contending for a national championship, if you`re the average person, you`ve got to defend this guy (Pell) out of loyalty to the school, the program and the team. In our fervor to excel and recognizing what we were competing against, we fell into a trap.``"
Cheaters.
LINK
Walt
UT '81
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:42 pm to Korin
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We actually still have the trophy.
I don't blame you for that. Make them come pry it from your cold, dead fingers!
If they do that, then go buy another one at Trophy World.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:46 pm to boXerrumble
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No, but everyone knows who the best team in the country was.
Dude. With players they cheated to get. So, your theory is teams should cheat, get caught and not suffer any consequences? Novel idea. We could just not worry about rules and have a free for all. He who cheats best wins. Charlie Pell was eat up with it.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:48 pm to gatorsownfsu81
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but when you've been to the mountain top you can do or celebrate whatever you choose.
Which explains why you ended up with Percy Harvin and Hernandez.....doing what you want.
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