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re: Everyone's been wanting Mizzou to fall on its face
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:19 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:19 pm to JesusQuintana
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I think if UGA, UF or UT won the East two years in a row they'd be pretty happy about it. Would that be overinflated as well.
What I mean is, missouri thinks they are an elite SEC team simply based on the fact they've won the east twice. UGA won the east in '11, but any UGA fan with common sense will tell you we really weren't a very good team and capitalized on a bad east. Missouri acts like you HAVE ARRIVED, when you really haven't. You also haven't really shown much of anything in your SECCG appearances. If you had won one it may be different. 12 you were bad. 13 you capitalized on an atrocious east. Last year you got skulldrug/shutout by the best team in the east (and lost to a pitiful indiana team to boot) yet still went due to others having losses. I'm not taking those accomplishments away...you earned them fair and square. I'm just saying, you have been the recipient of some pretty good fortune as well.
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1. The SEC thought itself invincible and head and shoulders above any other conference before expansion.
Ummm...we were head and shoulders above every other conference. There really isn't any credible debate to the contrary.
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Most SEC fans were convinced that there wasn't any other good football played outside the league.
well that's false. It's just that the SEC was the best league wiht the best teams. Doesn't mean other leagues didn't have an elite team or 2.
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For some reason SEC fans thought that aTm would bring the better team. Totally disregarded what Pinkel had done at Mizzou.
I don't think that was so outlandish. aTm is more of a "football school".
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Mizzou had a shite first season due to a historic amount of injuries
you use that as a crutch, yet blame uga for doing the same thing just one year later.
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Mizzou winning the past two years has challenged all of the above and a lot of SEC fans don't like it.
dude, nobody is denying you rightfully won the east and nobody's worldview or way of htinking has been "challenged". People realize what happened for what it is...you took advantage of a good situation. '13 missouri had a legit good team. Yall got run out of the building by the best in the west. In 14 you got embarassed by the other good east team, and were laughed out of the building by the best in the west.
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So they say shite like our view of our program is overinflated and we should know our place.
It is overinflated. Yall act like you're kings of the east and you simply aren't. There isn't near enough sample size to truly say what "your place" is yet to be honest.
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as long as GP is here we will be a player whether Yall like it or not.
I can beleive that. A player as in "will compete for the east every few years". But you have to realize UT is in a HISTORICALLY bad rut right now, and UF just got a brand new coaching staff. If you can't see that you've been pretty fortunate so far I don't know waht to tell you. If you were in the west you wouldnt' have even sniffed a division title yet.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:19 pm to therick711
You nailed it. If we are to win the East this year then Mauk simply must be way more consistent. We aren't going to be able to overcome those long stretches of garbage play that he was prone to last year. Likely won't be able to anyway.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:22 pm to JesusQuintana
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You nailed it. If we are to win the East this year then Mauk simply must be way more consistent. We aren't going to be able to overcome those long stretches of garbage play that he was prone to last year. Likely won't be able to anyway.
If he plays like he did two years ago over an entire season, Mizzou will be pretty good. He was 11:2 TD/Int and rushed over 5 yards a carry. His completion percentage probably needs to be higher though, 51% is LSU'esque.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:23 pm to JesusQuintana
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If we are to win the East this year then Mauk simply must be way more consistent.
I expect he will be. Quarterbacks get better the longer they're in a program (except at LSU). He's still the only returning starter with SECCG experience, which I can only see as a plus.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:24 pm to OldTimer
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6. Maty Mauk is the starting QB
This is more than enough to win the SEC East.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:24 pm to therick711
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therick711
You both made some excellent points regarding Mauk, fwiw.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:33 pm to WG_Dawg
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What I mean is, missouri thinks they are an elite SEC team simply based on the fact they've won the east twice
No we don't. We KNOW that to even be considered elite you have to win the SEC.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:34 pm to WG_Dawg
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just have an overinflated sense of their place.
yea winning the east is no big deal, you'll get few arguments around here..
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:34 pm to therick711
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If he plays like he did two years ago over an entire season
If he plays like he did the 2nd half of last year we're more than fine
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:38 pm to Wtodd
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If he plays like he did the 2nd half of last year we're more than fine
His numbers in the second half last year are eerily similar to his 2013 numbers. So essentially, we agree, yet you pose it like there is a disagreement.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:43 pm to WG_Dawg
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What I mean is, missouri thinks they are an elite SEC team simply based on the fact they've won the east twice. UGA won the east in '11, but any UGA fan with common sense will tell you we really weren't a very good team and capitalized on a bad east. Missouri acts like you HAVE ARRIVED, when you really haven't. You also haven't really shown much of anything in your SECCG appearances. If you had won one it may be different. 12 you were bad. 13 you capitalized on an atrocious east. Last year you got skulldrug/shutout by the best team in the east (and lost to a pitiful indiana team to boot) yet still went due to others having losses. I'm not taking those accomplishments away...you earned them fair and square. I'm just saying, you have been the recipient of some pretty good fortune as well.
Our losses last year were bad...but nobody stepping up to capitalize on it becomes our fault? Call it a weak schedule or whatever you want...but I don't know how anyone could say that Mizzou hasn't been right up there with Georgia as the Top 2 teams in the East. Only misinformed and preconceived (false) notions about Mizzou would do that. I have no problem admitting that traditional powers are down, but Vandy was at a historic high when we came into the league, and kentucky is at least competing to be bowl eligible.
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Ummm...we were head and shoulders above every other conference.
I'll say shoulders above...not head and shoulders. From a pre-outsiders perspective, the SEC is not as high as everyone believes. The best top to bottom, no doubt, but not so far ahead as everyone thinks.
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well that's false. It's just that the SEC was the best league wiht the best teams. Doesn't mean other leagues didn't have an elite team or 2.
To be fair...SEC folks don't exactly study other leagues for strength.
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I don't think that was so outlandish. aTm is more of a "football school".
Misconception #1. Mizzou owned aTm in the Big 12. Mizzou has been on the cusp of being a great team for almost 8 years now. 2 years were a final game win away from playing for the national title. Last year, maybe a CFP spot. We haven't broken over the hump, but we have been oh so close. aTm had the Johnny Manziel experience. But outside those 2 years, since 2003, they haven't finished with more than 9 wins (including bowl games). In that same time span, Mizzou has 10 wins (or more) 5 times.
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you use that as a crutch, yet blame uga for doing the same thing just one year later.
Because UGA got a pass for failures due to injuries. Mizzou didn't get the same treatment. We were written off as simply bad.
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'13 missouri had a legit good team. Yall got run out of the building by the best in the west.
No we weren't. It was a 3 point game heading into the 4th. Still a 3 point game with 5 min left. Desperation led to the final margin, but it was a close game.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:47 pm to SwampyLSU
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Now go look at their schedule and rethink
Yes, do look at their schedule. No Indiana this year. lol
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:48 pm to 5thTiger
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I'll say shoulders above...not head and shoulders. From a pre-outsiders perspective, the SEC is not as high as everyone believes. The best top to bottom, no doubt, but not so far ahead as everyone thinks.
I'm not sure that's even anatomically correct. That's like if your buddy is drinking three beers and you say he's triple fisting.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:51 pm to OldTimer
Mizzou's luck have ran out. and it's impossible to overcome talent discrepancies in long term. All schools in the SEC not named UK and Vandy will bring in more talent every year.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:52 pm to OldTimer
frick Mizzou... Your old, shitty conference opponents made blame gabbert look like a top 10 pick 
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:53 pm to therick711
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I'm not sure that's even anatomically correct. That's like if your buddy is drinking three beers and you say he's triple fisting.
I'll give an analogy. If each conference were running a mile race, the SEC would be in the lead. Alot of SEC fans see a 100m lead, but it is really more like a 50m lead. SEC fans aren't looking over their shoulder to judge, because they are just so happy to be in the lead by any sort of margin.
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frick Mizzou... Your old, shitty conference opponents made blame gabbert look like a top 10 pick
No, his measurables made him a Top 10 pick. Alot of fans could have told you about his accuracy and attitude problems. He wasn't exactly a fan favorite.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:55 pm to 5thTiger
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5thTiger
I'm about to leave the comp, but as far as the SEC overall thing goes...from 06-12 the SEC was head and shoulders better. There was no conference that was even remotely close to the overall depth and talent in the league during that run. Not.even.close. Sure there were some teams here and there that would have been at the top of the pile in the SEC (a texas or oklahoma one year, an oregon here and there, etc) but overall league we were far and away better.
And my whole thing with missou...I have no ill will towards missouri. I mean, 6 other teams could have won the east these 2 years but only missouri did, you did what the others couldn't so you earned it fair and square on the field. I'm not trying to take that away. I'm just saying that you've been fairly fortunate to win the east the 2 years that you have, that's all.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:56 pm to 5thTiger
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Because UGA got a pass for failures due to injuries.
Thats not true at all. Folks still use 2013 to knock UGA.
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Still a 3 point game with 5 min left.
Au was up 10 points with 11:09 left in the game.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:57 pm to OldTimer
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veryone's been wanting Mizzou to fall on its face
Did you not see the first year they joined the league?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 1:57 pm to 5thTiger
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I'll give an analogy. If each conference were running a mile race, the SEC would be in the lead. Alot of SEC fans see a 100m lead, but it is really more like a 50m lead. SEC fans aren't looking over their shoulder to judge, because they are just so happy to be in the lead by any sort of margin.
Actually, it is more like a horse race. Everyone else is saying "well, shite, American Pharoah (their horse) is only 2 seconds behind Secretariat (SEC)." Most people don't know enough to understand that 2 seconds is 12-15 lengths which is an arse-kicking. They see 2 seconds, are familiar with the measure of time, and assume because seconds are short that the lead must not have been very big.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 2:01 pm
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