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Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:57 pm to TheJones
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:57 pm to TheJones
quote:Wasn't meant to be aggressive, should have added
Strangely aggressive, but okay. Just commenting on that general line of thinking. SEC is going well now but the conference should always be exploring ways to improve.
Keeping everything the same breeds complacency.
at the end. I get that feeling of complacency, but there is nothing we can do to innovate the SEC or CFB that would make sense. 
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:58 pm to Tidemeister
I agree, but we also should go back to only 10 teams.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:03 pm to Tidemeister
We don't need to do all this shite. We just need to have 9 games.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:12 pm to TheJones
quote:Left behind who? All but one P5 conference has a conference championship game. Conference champions weigh heavily in the playoff committee's decision making when choosing the final four playoff teams. The NCAA dictates that in order to have a conference championship you have to have divisions and each team in the division has to play each other.
This (line of thinking) is a great way to get left behind
ETA: But I'm against eliminating divisions
I don't see how the SEC can dissolve divisions and therefore not be allowed to play a championship game and risk not getting into a team into the playoffs.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:13 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:The conference has voted on going to a 9 game SEC schedule and THIRTEEN programs voted against it.
We don't need to do all this shite. We just need to have 9 games.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:15 pm to Madking
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no reason to change
bullshite.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:16 pm to Tidemeister
So with this plan, in 2011 LSU wins 9-6 in November...then what? What it looks like is a guaranteed extra loss to a top 2 SEC team that will now be knocked out of a playoff spot. The way it is now, if 1 division is weaker, it allows a shot for 2 SEC teams to go to the playoffs. That would go away. Bad idea.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:16 pm to RT1941
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RT1941
Like I said, I'm against eliminating divisions.
Glad you wrote all of that to agree with me
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:18 pm to Tidemeister
Let me break it down for Edward:
#1 - Traditional rivalries will NEVER go away.
#2 - EVERYBODY hates that Mizz. is in the East, but that's what Slive did & only he can explain why.
#3 - There is NO WAY to do a non-division conference & have scheduling that is FAIR TO ALL! With 3/4/5 perm. teams on your schedule & rotate the rest, you are LUCKY to have 2 teams that might share 2 schools in that list. But what about the other 12? It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare teams if they share NOTHING in common.
Stick with divisions &....wait a minute.....what's this? We have 7 schools that share 6 games amongst them that we can CLEARLY see how to rank 1/2/3/4/5/6/7. Looks like we've just sorted out a NIGHTMARE of an issue & numerous tiebreakers of what he's proposing.
So, until he or anybody else can come up with an idea for non-divisions that makes sense without a zillion tiebreakers, don't mess up a good thing!
#1 - Traditional rivalries will NEVER go away.
#2 - EVERYBODY hates that Mizz. is in the East, but that's what Slive did & only he can explain why.
#3 - There is NO WAY to do a non-division conference & have scheduling that is FAIR TO ALL! With 3/4/5 perm. teams on your schedule & rotate the rest, you are LUCKY to have 2 teams that might share 2 schools in that list. But what about the other 12? It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare teams if they share NOTHING in common.
Stick with divisions &....wait a minute.....what's this? We have 7 schools that share 6 games amongst them that we can CLEARLY see how to rank 1/2/3/4/5/6/7. Looks like we've just sorted out a NIGHTMARE of an issue & numerous tiebreakers of what he's proposing.
So, until he or anybody else can come up with an idea for non-divisions that makes sense without a zillion tiebreakers, don't mess up a good thing!
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:20 pm to Tidemeister
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ESPN college expert says
I stopped right there. No clicks.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:42 pm to RT1941
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Left behind who? All but one P5 conference has a conference championship game. Conference champions weigh heavily in the playoff committee's decision making when choosing the final four playoff teams. The NCAA dictates that in order to have a conference championship you have to have divisions and each team in the division has to play each other. I don't see how the SEC can dissolve divisions and therefore not be allowed to play a championship game and risk not getting into a team into the playoffs.
His article doesn't state it clearly, but with the change in the rule regarding staging a championship game eliminating the requirement that you split into divisions which play a round robin, you can eliminate divisions and still play a championship game by having the teams with the two best records play in that championship game. I don't really like the idea, but it's feasible.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:49 pm to BHMKyle
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Been saying this for years...
Only problem is the current NCAA rules state that in order to have a Conference Championship Game, you must have two divisions with equal teams, and everyone inside each division must play during a season.
Until the NCAA changes this rule... or the SEC is ready to give up its SEC Title Game (which it won't)... this can't happen.
I'm pretty sure this rule was changed last year for the Big12 and you can now have a championship game regardless. I remember because I was thinking we could actually do this now as a result.
So we wouldn't have to give up the SEC Title game. I've also been a fan of doing this for years.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:00 pm to Madking
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The conf is perfect the way it is we are the leader in CFB no reason to change
Far from perfect. I dislike having to wait like 12 years between trips to say Athens as an OM fan. (Believe that is what the current wait would be)
NCAA needs to change their rule on Conference championships then SEC needs to go to a 14 team league with no divisions.
Play 9 conference games and either have like 4 or 5 permanents. Then the other 4 or 5 games rotating. That lets you play every team in the conference every 2 or 3 years based on how you rotate them exactly.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:03 pm to RT1941
quote:I too, as a fan, like the idea of a 9 game conference schedule, but understand that the programs don't want to lose a home game and a cream puff opponent to boost the W/L record.
The conference has voted on going to a 9 game SEC schedule and THIRTEEN programs voted against it.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:06 pm to 3down10
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3down10
ESPN college expert says SEC should ditch divisions...
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Been saying this for years...
Only problem is the current NCAA rules state that in order to have a Conference Championship Game, you must have two divisions with equal teams, and everyone inside each division must play during a season.
Until the NCAA changes this rule... or the SEC is ready to give up its SEC Title Game (which it won't)... this can't happen.
I'm pretty sure this rule was changed last year for the Big12 and you can now have a championship game regardless. I remember because I was thinking we could actually do this now as a result.
So we wouldn't have to give up the SEC Title game. I've also been a fan of doing this for years.
I thought the NCAA ONLY allowed that for the B12 because they already play everybody in their conference yearly.
IF they go to 12 teams, they'll be required to be in divisions.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:11 pm to Piscinin
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There isn't a single good reason to get rid of permanent rivalries like TSIO or AU-GA
Yeah, people keep forgetting that Tennessee is gonna be good this year.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:12 pm to RazorHawk
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RazorHawk
ESPN college expert says SEC should ditch divisions...
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The conference has voted on going to a 9 game SEC schedule and THIRTEEN programs voted against it.
I too, as a fan, like the idea of a 9 game conference schedule, but understand that the programs don't want to lose a home game and a cream puff opponent to boost the W/L record.
Part of it is that 4 schools (all in the East) already have a yearly P5 school they play against an in-state rival from the ACC.
Now, since the other 10 schools have that MANDATORY requirement, I'd like to see the 9 game schedule discussed again.
I've already said that to eliminate losing a game, the year you have 4 SEC home games, you HOST your P5 rival. The year you have 5 SEC home games, you VISIT your P5 rival. Right there, you have a min. of 5 home games yearly.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:22 pm to southernboisb
I have ZERO problems with the SECCG going away. It has had several 2,3 conference loss teams in it and is predictable as the sun rising. Go away and play round robin. If u are good enough you'll survive the schedule.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:32 pm to nicholastiger
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For football though the permanent rivals still need to go.
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nicholastiger
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LSU Fan
Sorry that you guys don't have a rival nor know what it's like to have a rivalry. It's pretty exciting and CFB would take a major hit in popularity if rivalry games did indeed "go.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 5:50 pm to Tidemeister
If you got rid of divisions would you still play the same number of conference games? I have no idea how this stuff works
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