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re: Ehren Earleywine is a bad arse

Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
7436 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:57 pm to
Okay, so she was shite-talking him to a colleague of his. I'm not sure if that's better or worse. As for the accusations, he said she was clueless and just making shite up to cover her real reasons. As a fellow coach, she does not deserve any more dignified a response than that. She isn't an NCAA investigator, so why should he say anything that could be misconstrued or taken out of context. He said she was making shite up and to quit being a bitch (only in slightly nicer wording).
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19197 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:57 pm to


You know, I don't have a problem here. His character was called into question and he had the opportunity to address the individual head to head.

It's not meant for public consumption, so it looks bad but I'm good with it.

I do dislike the apology. No way in hell he meant it and therefore shouldn't have issued one.

I'm not very PC though
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

The email bashing him was classless as well. One was a passive aggressive attack on him and his program and one was and honest in your face direct response.


They weren't bashing him. The first email was respectful and professionally telling him he's disrepectful.

He acted like a POS teenager cussing her in his response.

Sounds like he's more of a peer to young ladies on his team than a leader to them.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:11 pm to
Sounds like your still pissed Mizzou trashed Iowa in the National Duals
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:16 pm to
Got nothing to do with that. I'd say the same thing if Gus Malzahn or Dan Gable sent that email. Of course neither would, because neither are that immature or unprofessional.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 10:02 pm
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:42 pm to
Meh, bunch of women up in here.

She accused him of being an arse and cheating and of all things, spitting seeds in a dugout on a ballfield. Had it been me, I don't think my response would have been as polite as EE's.

As back drop, if MU had a little brother in the state, it's MSU and there's always been a bit of animosity between the two. Add to it that EE treats everyone the same and that frankly costs us some recruits because he coaches it much closer to a baseball team than a softball team and some ladies would prefer to wear goofie hats in the dugout or make silly sounds.

I also don't think there's much that EE said that isn't accurate too. I bitched during the season that we played them because it does us no good. Our RPI drops even with a win. But I guess now that I said the same thing, it makes me as much of an arse as EE.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19591 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:53 pm to
Dude can barely form a correct sentence, Was he using his hotmail account?
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:57 pm to
Who cares if he is? I don't.

He's paid to win softball games.
Posted by Rich Kotite
Coaching Hall of Fame
Member since Jan 2014
2211 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:33 pm to
quote:

Ehren


What a beta name.
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:34 pm to
Damnit I like him
Posted by cuddlefuddle
Member since Sep 2012
584 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:44 pm to
What a POS. Never liked this dude. I remember him whining a few years back when Alabama dogpiled on Missouri's field because they won the SEC title.
Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:38 am to
I remember dealing with such exchanges when I was principal...

in a middle school.

Neither coach displayed good judgment, in my opinion. And neither school or fan base should be particularly proud of their coach.

However, the Missouri coach also showed an inability to control his emotions. The question now becomes are these behaviors isolated events or are they indicative of a pattern of behavior.

Isolated incidents do not lend themselves to accurate character judgments...patterns of behavior do.


If Ehren had been in control of his emotion he would have realized he could have really caused the other coach problems. She had just emailed accusations to someone at the University of Missouri. This was not a he said/she said...it was in an email. The intelligent reaction would have been one of the following:

1. If he really disliked the other coach, he could have turned the email over to Missouri administration and allow them to apply pressure to Missouri State. If the Missouri State program is that bad this pressure could result in termination of their coach or at least a reprimand. He gets his vengeance and looks like a professional and classy guy.

Or option 2 (My preference)

2. Call the other coach, explain that if he was really a bad guy he would make this difficult for her, and then explain option 1. Then say "But I would prefer us finding away to play a couple of games next season." Give her an out, play the games, and then run rule them every game. Then smile as they shake hands.



Posted by Mizzou Mule
St. Charles County, Missou-rah
Member since Sep 2014
3071 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 6:18 am to
Hats off! (a new Mizzou theme)

Oil and water will never mix. Two different kinds of coaches/people. Both coaches were wrong, okay. But they are coaches, not some tight-arse school principal or a corporate kiss-arse. Players/students were not involved. No threats, no sexist crap and not PC.

Sunflower seeds, can you just imagine those on a ball field???

I'm as non-PC as he is. She got in his grill...he returned the favor. This was non-public communication. EE learned it's ALL public.

But he had to "issue" an apology. If a Mizzou staffer had done this, oh boy. They would have been fired, period. But there is a double standard in the corporate/admin. world, so he had to say sorry.

Frick swmo state.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 8:56 am
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29448 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 6:25 am to
Anyone can be a dickhead.

It's much harder to show constraint and be a professional.
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19053 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 8:46 am to
Simple. He shouldn't have gotten involved in the matter. Let the girls work it out.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24081 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:55 pm to
I think his biggest mistake was the big girl comment. That could be construed as misogynistic. Other than that, it wasn't professional, it wasn't the best way to handle the situation, but it was badass.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12852 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 4:18 pm to
Earleywine is a dick in that email. He's a women's softball coach. Not the most manly job in the world. Turn down the testosterone caveman. You're playing against girls.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29110 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 4:28 pm to
Earleywine comes off really immature in that email, and he has the sentence structure of a pissed of middle schooler. I will say that the accusations from the MSU coach were uncalled for, because how fricking dirty can softball recruiting be?

Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

But they are coaches,


Yes. They are coaches. But I would hope that a coach at any level, much less a university, and especially at the SEC level, had enough discretion to not put such comments into an email.

Do I understand the emotions he conveyed? Absolutely. Would similar sentiments have entered my head if I was in his situation. Yep. Still does not make it the intelligent thing to do.

Actions and reactions such as his tend to be supported by immature college age kids and/or 40 year old adolescents.

Again, maybe it is an isolated incident. If not, well, that is Missouri's and his problem.


quote:

not some tight-arse school principal or a corporate kiss-arse


Good thing I spent the majority of my career as a football and baseball coach. Good coaches at any level have a certain fire in them. Some readily show it, (Saban maybe), while some or more stoic, (think Tom Landry). However, self-control over those emotions is also a needed trait. Again, this may not be a pattern of behavior for him so he may usually have that very control.

quote:

Sunflower seeds, can you just imagine those on a ball



The fact the SWMO State coach mentioned sunflower seeds as a reason of not playing is silly in my opinion. I would venture a guess that the request centered on the seeds being spit in the dugout rather than in the field itself however.

If that is the case, the Missouri coach decided to not respect his host's request. Or if he did tell his team to respect it then his players decided not to respect his request. Neither reflect positively on Ehren...but its not like it is a major incident the SWMO State coach made it out to be.

quote:

This was non-public communication. EE learned it's ALL public.


Someone at his level should realize that, hence my statement about:
1. His failure to control his emotions
2. Be smarter than that, there are much better ways to express those sentiments without putting yourself in a situation to have to apologize.

quote:

I'm as non-PC as he is


Maybe you find it difficult to believe...but so am I. I had my own incidents as both a coach and a school administrator. (Again, Ehren may have much better control of himself than this one exchange makes it appear...probably does). For most of us, restraint tends to be a learned behavior and we rarely perfect it.




Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25057 posts
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:31 am to
I enjoyed the article and the exchange. Glad to see it posted here.
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