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re: Does the SEC want the Sooners?
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:26 am to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:26 am to TeLeFaWx
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A&M is more valuable to the SEC's bottom line than Tennessee is. Sorry.
You're full of shite. You johnny come latelys brought nothing. You were not even the first choice. We really wanted your big brother.
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:34 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Some interdasting tweets from the Dude of Minnesota:
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Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 49m49 minutes ago
Must remember…this info comes from somebody who’s employment puts him in a B1G (non-decision maker)…who passes along current B10 perceptions
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 48m48 minutes ago
Last dinner with friend/source was April 17th. Check my Timeline of April 17 if need..info is still a “live wire” with exception of Missouri
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 47m47 minutes ago
Big Ten’s current perception on MIZZOU is they will be in the SEC for over 100 years. The door is closed.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 45m45 minutes ago
But if you check April 17th timeline - B10 Man discussed the real B1G targets of 15/16 being OU/KU. So, this is what was said to me tonight
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 44m44 minutes ago
First, B10 perceptions, the B12 (as was said April 17th) is not stable….not a shocker with Boren’s recent statements in the background
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 43m43 minutes ago
But the B10 does not believe the B12 will get stable….it is almost impossible….there is only 1 route to B12 stability.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 40m40 minutes ago
The pathway toward stability for B12 is to expand to 12 - big markets and large schools 1st importance - fan bases size and academics - 2nd
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 39m39 minutes ago
2nd step toward stability is the creation of the B12N. Expansion won’t create stability alone.This why Boren brought up LHN being a failure.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 38m38 minutes ago
Tonight I’m not going to waste time discussing the high value of a Conf Net - either believe in it or not at this point-Boren is a believer.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 38m38 minutes ago
Before I get into what the B1G believes what they have to do to acquire OU/KU years out from now….lets 1st discuss B12 expansion
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 35m35 minutes ago
B10 perception of B12 expansion is it is going to happen period.Sooner rather than later.High probability of next year-ready 2017 FB season
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 33m33 minutes ago
Now this is where it gets very interesting.B10 perception(which could be wrong of course)is coming from this at a different angle than most.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 32m32 minutes ago
Because of B12 situation with their contracts -with different factions being for/against expansion -11/12 will be a compromise choice.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 32m32 minutes ago
Especially…..now get this…..especially between ESPN & FOX. According to “Big Ten Man” there is no way in hell both 11/12 come from the East.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 30m30 minutes ago
ESPN will not allow it..not happening.ESPN would be willing to “support” 1 new Eastern B12 school.but not 2.Big Ten Man very strong on this
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 30m30 minutes ago
ESPN does not want FOX to increase their P5 stock in the Eastern portion of the United States. FOX has some stock in WVU-RUT-UMD-PSU…
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 28m28 minutes ago
ESPN wants to limit “FOX schools/content” in the East,even if its shared content in some form/manner with ESPN.ESPN will stop 2 Eastern adds
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 28m28 minutes ago
So what does it mean? Look for ESPN to Champion Cincinnati over UCF. Look for FOX to champion UCF over Cincinnati...FOX already in Ohio
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 27m27 minutes ago
FOX is already in state of Ohio in P5 content…so ESPN would have no problem a CINCY addition to B12. FOX wants to get into Florida with UCF.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 26m26 minutes ago
“B10 Man” says B10 perception is FOX will get their 1st choice & UCF will become #11 for the B12 & ESPN and Texas will choose #12-compromise
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 25m25 minutes ago
B10 perception UT will try to let out a little steam in pot of boiling water by finally agreeing to B12 expansion. But UT/ESPN choose 12.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 24m24 minutes ago
Keep this in mind before I pass along what the B10 perception is on what UT/ESPN will do with 12. Texas is not choosing 12 based upon a B12N
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 24m24 minutes ago
Texas and ESPN will not throw in LHN in the dumpster…they may change it a bit if they bolt to ACC/PAC in future…but not put LHN in dumpster.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 23m23 minutes ago
According to B10 perceptions they believe Houston or BYU will be 12. B10 at this moment says Houston has inside track to 12. Why?
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 23m23 minutes ago
For 1 reason:Because of internal state politics…UT politicians can gain GIANT IOU’s in the state legislature if it deals in Houston at B12.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:34 am to RocketBallz
Moar
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Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 21m21 minutes ago
According to B10 perception its wildly known the SECN/TAMU has gutted the B12 from the Houston/ Metro…this is also a BIG + for UH inception.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 20m20 minutes ago
ESPN will fight for Houston….but ESPN is also close with BYU….but Texas politics make UH a slight favorite for 12….less headache.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 19m19 minutes ago
UT is not looking to create B12N…not going to happen. UH fulfills what UT/ESPN is looking at out West…
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 18m18 minutes ago
ESPN not concern with FOX gaining “stock” in Houston....as they would be in FOX gaining "stock" in Memphis-Tulane-New Orleans-ect
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 18m18 minutes ago
So now what happens?….with an expanded B12 to 12 schools (UCF+Houston or BYU) but without a B12N? Instability in B12 is what happens
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 18m18 minutes ago
B10 is already talking with Kansas & Oklahoma….every once in a while….these discussions are happening. SEC is talking with OU all-the-time!
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 17m17 minutes ago
This is the reality. B10 has a “long road to hoe” in acquiring KU/OU but it has taken first steps.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 16m16 minutes ago
The content and value of the next B1G Basketball contract with CBS/ESPN-2017 is HUGE...HUGE...when it comes to KU-B1G possible marriage.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 15m15 minutes ago
B10 will try to convince KU not to redo its 3rd Tier Contract with ESPN in 2021/22. If KU opts for FOX or another option in 2022…LOOK OUT!
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 15m15 minutes ago
This is what the B10 is focusing on…..working on a platform/contract/exposure/BTN which will elevate KU BB Value into even bigger heights.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 15m15 minutes ago
If KU does not re-up with ESPN on 3rd tier….this gives the signal to OU and everyone that KU is ready to jump to B1G in 2024-25.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 14m14 minutes ago
B10 needs to get KU to get OU….KU addition will bolster getting OU. KU is the “turn-key”. Not just for OU but for B1G Presidents-acceptance
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 13m13 minutes ago
Yep, were still talking 9-10 years out except B10 perception if UT bolts to ACC/INDY/PAC the GOR gets destroyed by pure inertia.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
B10 believes Boren’s comments about LHN failure - mocking UT on not giving it up….is a message from OU to UT to go ahead and bolt-were fine.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
It’s almost if…from a B10 perception….OU is telling UT nothing will ever again be cool between us b/c we want different environments.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
So what do we have from a Big 10 perspective?
1)Big 12 will expand next year.
2)Big 12 will expand with UCF/Houston (or BYU)
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 10m10 minutes ago
3)Big 12 can’t create B12N (Texas-LHN)...even with additional markets.
4)No sugar daddy to create/support B12N without Texas content
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 10m10 minutes ago
5)B10 talking with OU/KU…thinking they have a shot at both…but need KU to say bye to ESPN 2022 first…OU taking B1G option seriously....
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 9m9 minutes ago
6)SEC will go after OU aggressively. SEC is frontrunner for OU only if Boren does not take steps to insert PRO-B1G next OU President.
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 6m6 minutes ago
7)B1G believes Boren and KU are close..relationship is tight. Both give each other coverage in any package deal. Everybody wants them
Greg Flugaur ?@flugempire · 5m5 minutes ago
8)B12 will stay P5 even if it implodes w/o KU/OU or even UT. Why? It has to do with Autonomy rules and other stuff-Tomorrow explanation
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:36 am to SavageOrangeJug
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You're full of shite. You johnny come latelys brought nothing. You were not even the first choice. We really wanted your big brother.
Whatever you say, sweetheart. If the SEC had to cut A&M or Tennessee, it would cut Tennessee. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:38 am to gatordmb89
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I don't really want to add any other Big 12 teams. Give me Va. Tech and Virginia together. Or NC and NCST.
I don't think SEC will ever get any NC or VA ACC schools.
You might have a small shot at schools outside of those states, Miami, Clemson, G Tech, Lousville, assuming the conference would let them out with only a financial penalty. This assumes these schools think the NC programs have too much power. I know Maryland used to think this, Gary Williams used to complain about the ACC bball tourney being held in Greensboro every year, Duke and NC's and Wake's backyard,
ACC is not a poachable conference at this point. Maryland had serious money issues or they would have probably stayed.
ACC is already the best basketball conference and good at other sports like lacrosse and soccer and baseball. It has enough programs in Clemson, FSU, VA Tech, Miami, G Tech, Louisville to be the best or 2nd best in football some seasons.
I could see a small chance of Wake asking to be let out of conference if their football program continues to be bad and lose money, and their basketball program doesn't get back to same level as it was when they had Chris Paul, and Tim Duncan prior. The replacement would likely be West Virginia or Cincy if Cincy hasn't joined big 12 by then, or UCONN.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 8:56 am
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:46 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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OU's Boren's comments about realignment are an attempt to pressure Texas to abandon the LHN.The timing is perfect with a new Texas president and an embattled new AD. OU and OSU are tied at the hip and thus are a package deal. I don't see taking both to SEC. Getting into NC and VA remains the plan of expansion IMO. Likely when TV contracts expire, which is 2020s I believe.
Spot on, AginAL!
To all the tRant's that want small and/or regional conferences today. Well, those days are looooooooong gone. Remember the old original SEC with Tulane, GT and Sewanee? How 'bout the SWC, the Big8, Big10 and the original Pacific Coast. I miss 'em too, but they DIED back then. How was TV coverage back then? It was cr*p and you know it. Tech is better now...but $ and TV sets rule today. Get over it now please.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:58 am to RocketBallz
No to the Sooners and HELL NO to texass, we have enough problems without adding to them.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 8:59 am
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:02 am to RocketBallz
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Some interdasting tweets from the Dude of Minnesota:
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Twit(ter) stuff deleted) Listening to this guy is like listening to Chimp Brown or the Dude of WV on what will most likely not happen. All 3 sources seems to poach good ideas from others work, smoke some dope, and then start posting their altered views views.
Chimp is a Utx homer
Dude WV is a WU homer
Dude of MN is a B1G homer
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:04 am to Cheese Grits
Oklahoma and Kansas will end up in the B1G and Texas will go independent or to the Pac 12. I doubt Texas ends up in the ACC, but I wouldn't close the door on that. They sure will not be going to the SEC.
Nothing is going to happen for a few years besides a school like Houston joining the Big 12.
Nothing is going to happen for a few years besides a school like Houston joining the Big 12.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:19 am to Mizzou Mule
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Spot on, AginAL!
If you like unicorn meat
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TV sets rule today
Radio ruled before that
Print ruled before that
If you are doing realignment the media may change but 2 things remain constant
#1 Brands
#2 Markets
Last round of realignment in the Big 3
B1G
Maryland = market
Rutgers = market
Nebraska = brand
PAC
Colorado = market
Utah = market
SEC
Texas A&M = market
Missouri = market
If the ACC collapsed tomorrow it would not surprise me if the SEC added Notre Dame before any ACC or B12 school. Notre Dame may be the only real brand and market team in college sports. SEC will add 2 more when the best 2 become available. Until then the conference has no need to go past 14 and speculation is just speculation.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:32 am to Cheese Grits
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If you like unicorn meat
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SEC added Notre Dame
Hypocrisy noted..
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:36 am to nebraskafaninwi
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Oklahoma and Kansas will end up in the B1G and Texas will go independent or to the Pac 12.
Not sure I would take that bet
All 3 in the PAC makes the most sense if the B12 fails and they all move at the same time. Gee was at Vandy and wanted KU and MU as a pair when he had the vote at Bucknuts. That ship has already sailed and KU looking at the success of Mizzou in the SEC will over the GoR, make KU desire SEC membership more and more.
TAMU and Mizzou are in the SEC because the alumni and donors rose up and went against what the administration and academics wanted. Oklahoma already seems to feel this growing grassroots movement and my guess is Kansas will in the next 5 years. If they are both on the table in 2020 or 2025 I can see both in the SEC and Utx left out. In 5 more years Nebraska will wish they had gone to the PAC instead of the B1G when they fall farther and farther behind in sports.
Utx, OU, and KU in the PAC would be interesting for TV long run if the PAC did cross rivals like the SEC does in the east with the ACC
East | ACC vs SEC
UF vs FSU
UGA vs GT
UK vs UL
SC vs CU
West PAC vs SEC
TAMU vs Utx
UM vs KU
UAF vs OU
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Nothing is going to happen for a few years
: kige :
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:37 am to Cheese Grits
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TAMU vs Utx
No thanks
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:40 am to Cheese Grits
Notre Dame isn't going to fully join a conference. The ACC and especially the B1G has been trying to get Notre Dame to join their respective conferences for decades.
Notre Dame is a very short and simple drive to Chicago but they will not join the "market area" even though they have a bazzllion graduates from that school in the region that work alongside graduates of other B1G schools.
Notre Dame is a very short and simple drive to Chicago but they will not join the "market area" even though they have a bazzllion graduates from that school in the region that work alongside graduates of other B1G schools.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:43 am to AginAL
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Hypocrisy noted..
Not hypocrisy just an observation of how women operate
The more the B1G chases like a crazy stalker, the more Notre Dame runs away
ACC is a safe house for the Irish right now, but if the B1G pops a cap in their arse, Notre Dame will just find a new safe house. In terms of the 3 little pigs, the SEC is the house made from bricks.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:45 am to RocketBallz
No, we already have too many teams.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:54 am to nebraskafaninwi
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Notre Dame isn't going to fully join a conference.
Says you
Back in 2008 I said the Irish would go ACC and everybody at the rod and gun club had a good laugh.
ACC got 5 games and full non football membership which put the ACC on better P4 footing than the B12 now enjoys. Only way the Irish leave the ACC is if it implodes which I am pretty sure the SEC and ESPN will not allow.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:56 am to RocketBallz
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2)Big 12 will expand with UCF/Houston (or BYU)
We have been saying this for 3 years, this guy offers us no new information.
OU is unhappy........shocker
KU is valuable......shocker
TU is still not trusted and still acting greedy.........super shocker
ESPN still clinging to the deal that saved it's big 12 contract.........shocker
Posted on 7/4/15 at 10:00 am to Old Sarge
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We have been saying this for 3 years, this guy offers us no new information.
Have an upvote!
Posted on 7/4/15 at 10:01 am to TT9
If both Texas and Oklahoma asked to join as a package deal, IMO the SEC would NARROWLY vote to accept them.
Vote would go like this...
Alabama - Yes
Arkansas - No
Auburn - Yes
Florida - No
Georgia -Yes
Kentucky - Yes
LSU - No
Mississippi - Yes
Mississippi State - Yes
Missouri - No
South Carolina - Yes
Tennessee - No
Texas A&M - No
Vanderbilt - Yes
Edit: *This would be contingent on the Longhorn Network going bye-bye
Vote would go like this...
Alabama - Yes
Arkansas - No
Auburn - Yes
Florida - No
Georgia -Yes
Kentucky - Yes
LSU - No
Mississippi - Yes
Mississippi State - Yes
Missouri - No
South Carolina - Yes
Tennessee - No
Texas A&M - No
Vanderbilt - Yes
Edit: *This would be contingent on the Longhorn Network going bye-bye
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 10:04 am
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