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Controversial targeting penalties
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:29 pm
I've seen a good bit of complaining about the targeting penalties that went against LSU. Are either of them as bad of a call as these?
Please notice the ref pulling the flag prior to the hit in the second one.
In this particular game, the call directly led to the opponent scoring a winning touchdown. Grass isn't always greener.
Please notice the ref pulling the flag prior to the hit in the second one.
In this particular game, the call directly led to the opponent scoring a winning touchdown. Grass isn't always greener.
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:31 pm to olddawg26
I think the second one is certainly roughing if not targeting, both are close. The first one looks like the defender launched but not sure if that one should have been targeting or not. Its a tricky rule to officiate.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:32 pm to olddawg26
Can someone post the 2 that happened in the LSU game. I missed them and coworkers today said that was the sole reason they lost that game (which is comical).
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:32 pm to olddawg26
Not as hard more helmet to helmet
As a LSU fan I can say technically correct call
You either rule out all helmet to helmet hits or you don't
As a LSU fan I can say technically correct call
You either rule out all helmet to helmet hits or you don't
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:32 pm to olddawg26
Both of those were blown calls, sadly it happens.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:32 pm to olddawg26
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:33 pm to DoubleDown
If they get posted I'll post in OP
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:33 pm to Sneaky__Sally
First one was a blown call. Defender led with the shoulder to the chest. Didn't launch because he was vertical.
I understand the helmet to helmet in the other one even though he was letting up. If he hugged the qb instead of knocking him down, maybe it could have avoided the penalty.
I understand the helmet to helmet in the other one even though he was letting up. If he hugged the qb instead of knocking him down, maybe it could have avoided the penalty.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:35 pm to olddawg26
Donnie Alexander launched and hit Fitzgerald with the crown. It was clearly targeting.
Farrell kind of stumbled into Fitzgerald and their facemasks collided because of it. He didn't launch, didn't hit him with the crown and certainly didn't look like he even meant to hit him. It was late and should have been roughing, but "targeting" it wasn't.
They may as well say you're out of the game if you make contact with the quarterbacks head while he's in the pocket. That's basically how it's ruled.
Farrell kind of stumbled into Fitzgerald and their facemasks collided because of it. He didn't launch, didn't hit him with the crown and certainly didn't look like he even meant to hit him. It was late and should have been roughing, but "targeting" it wasn't.
They may as well say you're out of the game if you make contact with the quarterbacks head while he's in the pocket. That's basically how it's ruled.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:35 pm to meansonny
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First one was a blown call. Defender led with the shoulder to the chest. Didn't launch because he was vertical.
Didn't seem like defender really let up and had plenty of time to on the qb hit to me at least. Roughing call is ok there in my mind for sure as the ball was well away prior to contact.
it seems to me the way they are calling it is if you are roughing qb and make primary contact to facemask area they will call targeting.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:35 pm to olddawg26
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A player on the ground.
A player obviously out of the play.
A player who receives a blind-side block.
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first
SB NATION Explains new Targeting Rules
Both seem like the definition of the rules. Of course so do 70% of the other tackles in a game.
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A player on the ground.
A player obviously out of the play.
A player who receives a blind-side block.
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first
SB NATION Explains new Targeting Rules
Both seem like the definition of the rules. Of course so do 70% of the other tackles in a game.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:36 pm to olddawg26
Can't really see the first one. The second might not have been targeting, but it was still a penalty because it looked late and to the head
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:38 pm to LouisvilleKat
I would have put the first one in a video room for textbook hard tackling had it not been ruled targeting, Ill never understand anyone defending that call.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:39 pm to theoracle1
Those are both relatively easy calls.
The rules may suck, but they are the rules now.
The rules may suck, but they are the rules now.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:40 pm to olddawg26
I think its the launch with the shoulder they want to avoid. If he had loaded up square and wrapped up it would have been a no call I bet
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:43 pm to RB10
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Donnie Alexander launched and hit Fitzgerald with the crown. It was clearly targeting.
Farrell kind of stumbled into Fitzgerald and their facemasks collided because of it. He didn't launch, didn't hit him with the crown and certainly didn't look like he even meant to hit him. It was late and should have been roughing, but "targeting" it wasn't.
They may as well say you're out of the game if you make contact with the quarterbacks head while he's in the pocket. That's basically how it's ruled.
Completely agree
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:45 pm to olddawg26
Still butthurt about losing to Vandy.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:45 pm to JustGetItRight
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They may as well say you're out of the game if you make contact with the quarterbacks head while he's in the pocket. That's basically how it's ruled.
Fair enough.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:46 pm to Open Dore Policy
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Still butthurt about losing to Vandy.
Yes it's vandy wouldn't you be?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:48 pm to JustGetItRight
What's crazy is this all started with the NFL and I'm seeing QBs get absolutely destroyed in the pocket every Sunday. The flags are now coming for hitting them too low.
The NCAA has taken the rule and gone to the extreme to try and prevent any sort of big hits.
The NCAA has taken the rule and gone to the extreme to try and prevent any sort of big hits.
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