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Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:35 am to JesusQuintana
If you have Tennessee as a contender, than Nebraska should be up there. Miami as well. Otherwise, not bad. Michigan State could creep up to contender status soon.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:36 am to djsdawg
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Mizzou was one game away from playing for it all in 2007
Actually, yes. We were ranked #1 and if we had beaten Oklahoma we would have been in the title game. And more recently, if we had beaten Auburn in 2013 we would have been in the title game.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:38 am to M1zz0u
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National Title Contenders: Self explanatory. Teams that in any given year can win it all with the right coach in place.
You have the best coach that you're ever going to get and the best that you can do is to get boat raced in the game before the only game that matters, twice.
You put the right pieces in play at Tennessee and it's already been proven that multiple NC's can be done. By multiple coaches. Here's some regurgitated paragraphs that fit you and this thread perfectly.
We've been in the gutter since 2008 and one of the best programs in college football for the 100 years before that. You've been slightly relevant for the last what, 8-9 years? And on the same level as Kentucky for the 100 years prior to that.
Our programs aren't comparable. UT has a better, much larger fan base, better facilities, attracts better athletes, is more highly regarded by coaches and the media, multiple more national championships, better history, better traditions, I could go on and on.
Missouri could put up 10+ games a year for another decade with that embarrassing arse schedule and still not garner any respect. You're not respected or accepted in the SEC. You're not respected around the country. Literally nobody gives a frick about Missouri football outside of the small fan base that resides in Missouri.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 1:43 am
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:38 am to TRUERockyTop
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Has Missouri ever been able to say that? You're biggest accomplishment in the history of your program is getting blown out in the SECCG. And before you come back with some lame dick response about the SECCG, go and do your research on who has the 2nd most conference titles in the league.
It really is sad how many SEC fans and their teams live in the past. 3-0 against Tennessee in the SEC is all that matter between our teams.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:41 am to TRUERockyTop
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Our programs aren't comparable. UT has a better, much larger fan base, better facilities, attracts better athletes, is more highly regarded by coaches and the media, multiple more national championships, better history, better traditions, I could go on and on.
Except our programs are comparable and Mizzou comes out on top. Again 3-0 against your joke of a team since joining the SEC is that matters. And better athletes, lol. Beckner Jr. the #1 recruit in the nation would beg to differ. I can't wait to your pansy fans come to Columbia and get your arse kicked.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:50 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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i mean the answer would be to just win the east in 2007 and beat lsu. beat lsu in 2011, beat bama in 2012. that's controlling your own destiny.
When you lose, control of your destiny is lost, and we both went 6-2 in SEC play in 2007 and both went 7-1 in SEC play in 2002/2003.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:50 am to M1zz0u
All-time record: 663–534–53 (.552)
Postseason bowl record: 15–16 (.484)
National Championships: 0
All-time record: 811–367–54 (.680)
Postseason bowl record: 26–24 (.520)
National Championships: 6 claimed, 2 Consensus.
One of these programs is not and never will be like the other.
Like I said, we've been trash since 08. You bragging about beating us right now is like anyone in the SEC bragging about beating LSU in the 90s. We'll be back before you ever "make it".
Postseason bowl record: 15–16 (.484)
National Championships: 0
All-time record: 811–367–54 (.680)
Postseason bowl record: 26–24 (.520)
National Championships: 6 claimed, 2 Consensus.
One of these programs is not and never will be like the other.
Like I said, we've been trash since 08. You bragging about beating us right now is like anyone in the SEC bragging about beating LSU in the 90s. We'll be back before you ever "make it".
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 1:57 am
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:53 am to TRUERockyTop
Again living in the past. It seems to be a theme of Tennessee fans. Bul I'll refresh your memory, 3-0 against you guys since joining the SEC 
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:55 am to djsdawg
well you did have control of your own destiny in 2011 to win the sec at least. and in 2012 was a play in game for the national championship. so your team has had the opportunities.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:56 am to M1zz0u
Since you had trouble comprehending it the second time.
When was your last NC? I'll wait. Then go to bed and come back here tomorrow and wait some more.
You have a good evening, bro.
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National Title Contenders: Self explanatory. Teams that in any given year can win it all with the right coach in place.
When was your last NC? I'll wait. Then go to bed and come back here tomorrow and wait some more.
You have a good evening, bro.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 2:10 am
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:00 am to TRUERockyTop
Yep, and Mizzou will win a National title long before Tennessee ever does again. Not much to understand there is there buddy.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:05 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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well you did have control of your own destiny in 2011 to win the sec at least. and in 2012 was a play in game for the national championship. so your team has had the opportunities.
Every season is an opportunity, but I was specifically talking about our similarly timed seasons of 02/03 and 07 from the start.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:55 am to JesusQuintana
Here's a stone cold hard fact.
Every National Champion since 2002 has had at least one top five recruiting class, as rated by Rivals (2002-2010) or 247 Sports (2011-present)
2002 - Ohio State (#5 class in 2002)
2003 - LSU (#1 class in 2003)
2004 - *USC (#3 class in 2003, #1 class in 2004)
2005 - Texas (#1 class in 2002)
2006 - Florida (#2 class in 2003, #2 class in 2006)
2007 - LSU (#2 class in 2004, #4 class in 2007)
2008 - Florida (#2 class in 2006, #1 class in 2007, #3 class in 2008)
2009 - Alabama (#1 class in 2008, #1 class in 2009)
2010 - Auburn (#4 class in 2010)
2011 - Alabama (#1 class in 2008, #1 class in 2009, #5 class in 2010, #1 class in 2011)
2012 - Alabama (#1 class in 2009, #5 class in 2010, #1 class in 2011, #1 class in 2012)
2013 - Florida State (#2 class in 2011, #3 class in 2012)
2014 - Ohio State (#5 class in 2012, #2 class in 2013, #3 class in 2014)
Based on that, here are the teams that can say they have a shot in 2015 if this trend continues:
Alabama (#1 2012, #1 2013, #1 2014, #1 2015)
Texas (#2 2012)
Florida (#3 2012, #3 2013)
Florida State (#4 2012, #4 2014, #3 2015)
Ohio State (#5 2012, #2 2013, #3 2014)
Michigan (#4 2013)
Notre Dame (#5 2013)
LSU (#2 2014, #5 2015)
Texas A&M (#5 2014)
USC (#2 2015)
Tennessee (#4 2015)
Or, to compare conferences:
SEC - 5 contenders
Big Ten - 2 contenders
PAC 12 - 1 contender
Big XII - 1 contender
Independents - 1 contender
Let's be clear of the difference between making the playoffs and winning the title.
Every National Champion since 2002 has had at least one top five recruiting class, as rated by Rivals (2002-2010) or 247 Sports (2011-present)
2002 - Ohio State (#5 class in 2002)
2003 - LSU (#1 class in 2003)
2004 - *USC (#3 class in 2003, #1 class in 2004)
2005 - Texas (#1 class in 2002)
2006 - Florida (#2 class in 2003, #2 class in 2006)
2007 - LSU (#2 class in 2004, #4 class in 2007)
2008 - Florida (#2 class in 2006, #1 class in 2007, #3 class in 2008)
2009 - Alabama (#1 class in 2008, #1 class in 2009)
2010 - Auburn (#4 class in 2010)
2011 - Alabama (#1 class in 2008, #1 class in 2009, #5 class in 2010, #1 class in 2011)
2012 - Alabama (#1 class in 2009, #5 class in 2010, #1 class in 2011, #1 class in 2012)
2013 - Florida State (#2 class in 2011, #3 class in 2012)
2014 - Ohio State (#5 class in 2012, #2 class in 2013, #3 class in 2014)
Based on that, here are the teams that can say they have a shot in 2015 if this trend continues:
Alabama (#1 2012, #1 2013, #1 2014, #1 2015)
Texas (#2 2012)
Florida (#3 2012, #3 2013)
Florida State (#4 2012, #4 2014, #3 2015)
Ohio State (#5 2012, #2 2013, #3 2014)
Michigan (#4 2013)
Notre Dame (#5 2013)
LSU (#2 2014, #5 2015)
Texas A&M (#5 2014)
USC (#2 2015)
Tennessee (#4 2015)
Or, to compare conferences:
SEC - 5 contenders
Big Ten - 2 contenders
PAC 12 - 1 contender
Big XII - 1 contender
Independents - 1 contender
Let's be clear of the difference between making the playoffs and winning the title.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 2:58 am
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:02 am to JesusQuintana
You forgot:
Big 12 - Texas Tech (bottom category. Was category 2 under Leach)
Big 12 - Texas Tech (bottom category. Was category 2 under Leach)
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:12 am to JesusQuintana
My only question is why UT is in tier 1.
I mean a decade ago that would have made sense. But winning no more than 3 conference games in half a decade should automatically require a downgrade
I mean a decade ago that would have made sense. But winning no more than 3 conference games in half a decade should automatically require a downgrade
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 3:13 am
Posted on 8/4/15 at 4:24 am to JesusQuintana
If Tennessee is still a national contender, then Miami is as well.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 5:47 am to M1zz0u
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You're a joke of a Mizzou fan if you have *Tennessee and Florida as National title contenders ahead of Mizzou. They've been our bitch recently, and we're much closer to a title than they will ever be.
He gave a non-biased look at the breakdown. Pretty good for any fan to do, imo.
Tennessee and Florida both deserve to be in the top rung. They are both historically great teams with a lot more success than those listed in categories below. With exception of the top rung, others were basically placed in relation to recent successes/failures. He explained that.
Good job, Jesus.
*Tennessee- is teetering on being dropped a category...if no improvement this year, they should be "demoted". I suspect they will be much improved, however.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 5:52 am
Posted on 8/4/15 at 7:25 am to JesusQuintana
Very thourough and well thought-out post.
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, except I think that, after watching last year unfold, with the right st of circumstances, any SEC team not named Vandy or Kentucky could win it all. Both MS schools were in the top 10 at one point last year, as well as every other SEC west team but Arkansas. In the east, everybody has been on the brink except vandy and ky.
12 of 14 SEC teams could win it all now or within a few years. That is why the SEC is so dominant. Oddly enough, that is why sports media is desparate to make a story out of the SEC's "fall" from the top. They are trying to keep interest alive in other non-SEC states.
But, I think treands are shifting in other conferences. The B1G large state schools in football states will stay strong,(PennSt, Ohio St,, Michigan, Mich St) while the smaller, private schools and state schools in non-football states will never get there (Indiana, Iowa, Illinois etc.)
By the same token, I expect USCw to have increasing difficulty, while the Arizona schools flurish.
The formula for future success appears to be:
1. Large Student body
2. Football state (lots of HS fooball talent)
3. Large following.
An example of on just falling short is Minnesota. It is a huge school with a large to potentially large following, but not much football in-state compared to others.
By this reasoning, there is absolutely no goddamn excuse for LSU to be anywhere but in the championship conversation every motherfrickig year. None. LSU has a ton of advantages.
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, except I think that, after watching last year unfold, with the right st of circumstances, any SEC team not named Vandy or Kentucky could win it all. Both MS schools were in the top 10 at one point last year, as well as every other SEC west team but Arkansas. In the east, everybody has been on the brink except vandy and ky.
12 of 14 SEC teams could win it all now or within a few years. That is why the SEC is so dominant. Oddly enough, that is why sports media is desparate to make a story out of the SEC's "fall" from the top. They are trying to keep interest alive in other non-SEC states.
But, I think treands are shifting in other conferences. The B1G large state schools in football states will stay strong,(PennSt, Ohio St,, Michigan, Mich St) while the smaller, private schools and state schools in non-football states will never get there (Indiana, Iowa, Illinois etc.)
By the same token, I expect USCw to have increasing difficulty, while the Arizona schools flurish.
The formula for future success appears to be:
1. Large Student body
2. Football state (lots of HS fooball talent)
3. Large following.
An example of on just falling short is Minnesota. It is a huge school with a large to potentially large following, but not much football in-state compared to others.
By this reasoning, there is absolutely no goddamn excuse for LSU to be anywhere but in the championship conversation every motherfrickig year. None. LSU has a ton of advantages.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 7:47 am to JesusQuintana
I don't know if I agree with it but nice job anyway.
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