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re: Coach Bielema and and the University of Arkansas
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:44 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:44 pm to hawgfaninc
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Northwest Arkansas is arguably a top 3 location to live in the SEC.
everyone has an opinion. after having worked in the area in the early 2000's, i emphatically disagree. he may be a good coach, but let's see him actually do something of relevance before crowning him.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:45 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Auburn finds themselves in the valleys more often than on the peaks.
With "top 10" talent, Auburn finds themselves behind Arkansas and their "top 30" talent in the SEC West Standings more years than not.
Yet, you can't explain why this is since the "top 10" talent should never allow this to occur according to your argument.
With "top 10" talent, Auburn finds themselves behind Arkansas and their "top 30" talent in the SEC West Standings more years than not.
Yet, you can't explain why this is since the "top 10" talent should never allow this to occur according to your argument.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:46 pm to DaleDenton
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If that is the case, what is the x factor in the equation leading to Auburn's 8-5 seasons with "top 10" talent?
QB development is the bottom line. Don't be a bitch though...he's was shooting you straight.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:47 pm to TheGreek
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everyone has an opinion. after having worked in the area in the early 2000's,
The area has drastically changed in the past 15 years, FWIW.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:48 pm to TheGreek
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he's was shooting you straight.
He might have been shooting straight but he had some flawed logic. There are examples that dispute his points.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:48 pm to TheGreek
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QB development is the bottom line.
Arkansas has done a good job for the last decade in this area.
Dick's Senior season, Mallett, Wilson, B Allen, and A Allen, Story/Kelly in the future.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:49 pm to DaleDenton
Sure, i'm bet it has. But to make comments such as that only shows bias.
And yes, AU hasn't performed near where they should be, but this wasn't about AU.
And yes, AU hasn't performed near where they should be, but this wasn't about AU.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:50 pm to rockiee
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He might have been shooting straight but he had some flawed logic. There are examples that dispute his points.
Winner.
Recruiting rankins isn't the end all be all, development, recruiting to fill needs, and coaching all play huge rolls in the process.
Then you have the things that can't be accounted for such as years where all the breaks go your way and years where none of them do, it happens for all teams.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:52 pm to TheGreek
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Sure, i'm bet it has. But to make comments such as that only shows bias.
Not really, its a completely different place than it was then.
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AU hasn't performed near where they should be, but this wasn't about AU.
It was when stones started to get cast from behind the wall in your glass house.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:52 pm to DaleDenton
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Recruiting rankins isn't the end all be all, development, recruiting to fill needs, and coaching all play huge rolls in the process.
It certainly is important but you don't have to have a top 10 or 15 class to win the league. I will agree that you did something along those lines to win a NC though. His statement about maybe getting a few 9 wins sprinkled in, is ignorant as well.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 8/22/16 at 7:58 pm to DaleDenton
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Arkansas has done a good job for the last decade in this area.
I would agree, but are we talking about Bert or Arky as a whole?
-Mallet? Didn't play for Bert
-Wilson? Certainly wasn't developed by Bert nor did he play at UA
-Story/Kelly in the future? Won't comment
-I'm not that inclined to comment on the others as i'm not that well versed.
I read this board from time to time and sometimes the shite on here is boarder line idiotic.
-Vol fan preseason
-JJ hype last year
-Arky every year
-Kirby the savior
I'm good with good ribbing and banter, but let the guy actually win something before you all go fanboy on him.
Good ribbing and banter>>>AU will be better than most think. Fry your bacon on that shite.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:01 pm to TheGreek
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Wilson
Tyler Wilson, not Russell
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:01 pm to DaleDenton
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Yet, you can't explain why this is since the "top 10" talent should never allow this to occur according to your argument.
Since you can't seem to get it, let me paint a picture...
Arky:
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:02 pm to DaleDenton
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t was when stones started to get cast from behind the wall in your glass house.
No stones here, just an opinion.
"everyone has an opinion. after having worked in the area in the early 2000's, i emphatically disagree. he may be a good coach, but let's see him actually do something of relevance before crowning him."
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:03 pm to rockiee
Tom Osborne kicked arse at Nebraska without recruiting top classes.
He built his program the same way Bielema is going about building his. He focuses on character, targetting kids that are going to work hard in the classroom as well as on the field. Players may not even see the field until their junior season, but by the time they're seniors, they are physically superior to the players that they're lining up against. Nebraska would straight up maul your arse into the ground and this is the same approach Bielema is taking. Strong walk-on program as well.
Hell, Bielema proved he could field an elite team at Wisconsin despite not recruiting at an elite level. Back-to-back-to-back conference titles is a big deal for any coach, in any conference.
frick the Auburn fan that wants to argue this. He is wrong and anyone with a functioning brain knows it. It's rare, but some coaches CAN build elite programs despite recruiting disadvantages.
Another thing that is going to pay dividends for Coach B is this Being Bret Bielema show ESPNU is airing. It's like free publicity for the UofA and Coach B, who seems to be a hell of a good dude to go play for.
Also, props to the OP here. There is at least one LSU fan I no longer hate.
He built his program the same way Bielema is going about building his. He focuses on character, targetting kids that are going to work hard in the classroom as well as on the field. Players may not even see the field until their junior season, but by the time they're seniors, they are physically superior to the players that they're lining up against. Nebraska would straight up maul your arse into the ground and this is the same approach Bielema is taking. Strong walk-on program as well.
Hell, Bielema proved he could field an elite team at Wisconsin despite not recruiting at an elite level. Back-to-back-to-back conference titles is a big deal for any coach, in any conference.
frick the Auburn fan that wants to argue this. He is wrong and anyone with a functioning brain knows it. It's rare, but some coaches CAN build elite programs despite recruiting disadvantages.
Another thing that is going to pay dividends for Coach B is this Being Bret Bielema show ESPNU is airing. It's like free publicity for the UofA and Coach B, who seems to be a hell of a good dude to go play for.
Also, props to the OP here. There is at least one LSU fan I no longer hate.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:03 pm to rockiee
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Tyler Wilson, not Russell
My bad. Assume and all...
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:03 pm to DaleDenton
quote:What a crock of shite. Not out of the ordinary with you, though.
With "top 10" talent, Auburn finds themselves behind Arkansas and their "top 30" talent in the SEC West Standings more years than not.
Since the SEC added Arkansas in 1992, Auburn has finished higher in the SEC West 13/24 times than Arkansas who has finished higher 11/24 times.
Auburn: 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 and 2014. 13 times. Multiple SEC Championships.
Arkansas: 1992, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2015. 11 times. No SEC Championships, and got dominated in every appearance.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:05 pm to TTsTowel
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Auburn has finished higher in the SEC West 13/24 times than Arkansas who has finished higher 11/24 times.
That is actually much closer than I thought
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:07 pm to BoarEd
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BoarEd
You sure are hoping for a lot there. Nebraska to Arky. Apples to walnuts.
What's wrong with proving your worth as opposed to beating your chest?
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frick the Auburn fan
Good one but you're still hoping for a whole lot.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 8:10 pm to TheGreek
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I would agree, but are we talking about Bert or Arky as a whole?
Arkansas as a whole.
The key factor is we get the QBs from instate who we actually want and they tend to produce for us.
Matt Jones
Ryan Mallett
Tyler Wilson
Brandon Allen
Austin Allen
Ty Storey
Compared to a school who has a "deeper, richer" recruiting base instate like LSU we have much higher success rate at the position.
And the guys in between those were brought in from Texas (Stoerner and Dick) and we have Kelly from Louisiana rising up the depth chart.
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