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Clemson vs. Alabama this year vs. last year

Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
12050 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:09 pm
Offense (stats bolded are better this year than last):

Alabama 2015:

Points per game- 35.1

Rushing- 199.93 ypg, 4.67 ypa

Passing- 227.1 ypg, 7.6 ypa

Total Offense- 427.1 ypg, 5.89 yards/play


Alabama 2016:

Points per game- 39.4

Rushing-
246.71 ypg, 5.71 ypa

Passing- 214.2 ypg, 7.8 ypa

Total Offense- 460.9 ypg, 6.52 yards/play


Clemson 2015:

Points per game- 38.5

Rushing- 223 ypg, 4.93 ypa

Passing- 291.5 ypg, 8.3 ypa

Total- 514.5 ypg, 6.39 yards/play


Clemson 2016:

Points per game- 39.5

Rushing- 175.37 ypg, 4.47 ypa

Passing- 327.8 ypg, 8.0 ypa

Total- 503.1 ypg, 6.28 yards/play




Defense (stats bolded are better this year than last):

Alabama 2015:

Points per game- 15.1

Rushing- 75.73 ypg, 2.43 ypa

Passing- 200.6 ypg, 6.1 ypa

Total- 276.3 ypg, 4.3 yards/play


Alabama 2016:

Points per game- 11.4

Rushing- 62 ypg, 1.98 ypa

Passing- 182 ypg, 5.7 ypa

Total- 244 ypa, 3.86 yards/play



Clemson 2015:

Points per game- 21.7

Rushing- 125.27 ypg, 3.54 ypa

Passing- 187.7 ypg, 6.4 ypa

Total- 313 ypg, 4.85 yards/play

Clemson 2016:

Points per game- 17.1

Rushing- 123.07 ypg, 3.51 ypa

Passing- 183.8 ypg, 5.7 ypa

Total- 306.9 ypg, 4.56 yards/play



Phew, so what does that leave us with. Clemson's defense has improved since last year, although only slightly. 7 less yards per game, 0.3 less yards/play. They've improved 4 points per game as well. So overall pretty solid improvement.

Alabama's defense has improved across the board as well. Improved 30 yards per game and .5 yards per play.

Alabama's offense however has gotten much more improvement this year vs. last year, especially when compared to Clemson, who has taken a nosedive running the football. Clemson did improve in yards/game passing but the yards/attempt passing is actually lower than it was last year.


Anyways, here's a bunch of data, enjoy.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 5:17 pm
Posted by Dubosed
Gulf Breeze
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:11 pm to
The best teams in the country. Gonna be a bloodbath
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

The best teams in the country. Gonna be a bloodbath


I think Clemson has been clearly the #2 best overall program the past 5 years behind Alabama.

I know OSU and FSU won titles, but Clemson has the consistency edge.
Posted by tigeroarz1
Winston-Salem, NC
Member since Oct 2013
3363 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:20 pm to
In your opinion does the fact that the SEC wasn't very good this year effect Alabama's improvement in stats? Imagine if you guys played the Gamecocks.
Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
12050 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

In your opinion does the fact that the SEC wasn't very good this year effect Alabama's improvement in stats? Imagine if you guys played the Gamecocks.



Nope. As a whole the conference is performing slightly better offensively than it did last year. Last year there were 7 teams above 400 yards per game, this year there are 10.

And defensively teams like LSU, Florida and Auburn all improved.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
Member since Sep 2016
5740 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:34 pm to
quote:

In your opinion does the fact that the SEC wasn't very good this year effect Alabama's improvement in stats?


No, because we basically played all the best teams and didn't play the worst ones (South Carolina, Missouri, Vanderbilt). We also didn't play basically the 3 worst offenses (Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt). Add in Western Kentucky and Southern California and our schedule was pretty solid.

And, our opponent adjusted stats (S&P+, FPI, etc) are all better too.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 5:37 pm
Posted by ColoBama
The Kayng of College Fusball, CO
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:39 pm to
All signs keep pointing to a Bama win.
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
3333 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:42 pm to
Makes sense. Bama seems better than they were last year and Clemson seems worse. Bama by 14-17
Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
12050 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

Makes sense. Bama seems better than they were last year and Clemson seems worse. Bama by 14-17



The biggest issue, is that last year I think Clemson got SOME success running the ball, but this year, with how their running game has taken an extreme nosedive, I don't believe they'll have the balance needed to beat Alabama.

Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
12050 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:04 pm to
More to that point, here's how Clemson has done against top 30 rush defenses:

#8 North Carolina State- 39 carries, 117 yards, 3.0 ypc, 7 point win

#16 Pittsburgh- 25 carries, 50 yards, 2.0 ypa, 1 point loss

#17 Troy- 32 carries, 122 yards, 3.8 ypc, 6 point win

#22 FSU- 38 carries, 133 yards, 3.5 ypc, 3 point win

#27 Auburn- 44 carries, 151 yards, 3.4 ypc, 6 point win


Now they did alright against two others:
#20 Ohio State - 48 carries, 205 yards, 4.3 ypc, 31 point win
#12 Louisville- 31 carries, 201 yards, 6.5 ypc, 6 point win

But in almost every game they've faced a top 30 rushing defense (with the exception of Ohio State), they have struggled to move the ball AND the game has been extremely close.

This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 6:06 pm
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:14 pm to
Just means they will be throwing the hell out of the ball and that style offense is not Bamas best to defend against.

I don't see either team running away with this game but stranger things have happened.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:18 pm to
We didn't win 7 games by one score or less. Regardless of teams played, that's a huge factor.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83392 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:19 pm to
quote:

Alabama's offense however has gotten much more improvement this year vs. last year
I'd bet my life that the last 7 or so games from last season(offense) absolutely shite on this year's offense.
Posted by Kcoyote
Member since Jan 2012
12050 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:31 pm to
quote:

Just means they will be throwing the hell out of the ball and that style offense is not Bamas best to defend against.



That's true, and if Dabo is smart that's what he'll do. Abandon the run early, chuck it up. Problem with that is, it also leads to a frickton of turnovers, and all it takes is one interception for a TD and the game is over. People seem to think since Ole Miss kept it close with an onside kick and two last minute TDs that any team can run the same type of offense and succeed. They also forget that Alabama scored three non offensive touchdowns that game, in part because Ole Miss abandoned ball control early.
Posted by tigeroarz1
Winston-Salem, NC
Member since Oct 2013
3363 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

#8 North Carolina State- 39 carries, 117 yards, 3.0 ypc, 7 point win

Gallman (RB) was knocked out on his second carry with a concussion.

Clemson was extremely conservative with Watson running the ball until after the Pitt loss.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 6:52 pm
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83392 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 6:55 pm to
Exactly. I've said it 100 times this season.

Go ahead and chunk the ball around the yard. You'll get yours. And Alabama will get theirs...and break the hell out of you.
Posted by spacewrangler
In my easy chair with my boots on..
Member since Sep 2009
9741 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 7:12 pm to
No way, we were told there was no way that Bama's defense would even be close to last year's. Especially rush defense.

Wait, that was also said about the offense.

Hmmm, the Bama haters were wrong again. Wait til next year. Bama gonna lose 4 games.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 7:14 pm to
As I mentioned in my breakdown a few days ago, Bama will wear down Clemson. Stats below give good glimpse as to why.

Bama is better at moving the chains when there are at least 5 yards for a 1st down. (see opportunity rate)
When it's 3rd and short or 4th and short, Bama is able to move the chains much more often than Clemson. (see power success rate)
Despite being predicated on the run, with teams loading the box to stop the run, Bama and Clemson get stuffed at almost the same rate.
Despite the apparent differences in talent and experience between Watson and Hurts, the unadjusted sack rates would yield roughly 1 sack difference in the game between the two, if that, since Clemson will throw more often than Bama. This is because Bama has done a very good job coaching Hurts this year.

All of Boulware's homo butt obsession is not going to stop Bo or the other Bama RBs. Bama will reset the LOS throughout the game and control TOP.

OLine Stats

Stats are: Raw / Rank

Run-blocking stats

Adjusted Line Yards: One of only two opponent-adjusted numbers on the page, this aligns with the ALY figure FO tracks for the NFL and is presented on a scale in which 100.0 is perfectly average, above 100 is good, below 100 is bad.

Bama 115 / 13
Clemson 125 / 4

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).

Bama 3.21 / 31
Clemson 3.10 / 50

Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs.

Bama 3.40 / 53
Clemson 3.67 / 25

Opportunity Rate: The percentage of carries (when five yards are available) that gain at least five yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Bama 45.7% / 6
Clemson 41.0% / 50

Power Success Rate: This is the same as on the pro side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Bama 75% / 20
Clemson 62.9% / 95

Stuff Rate: Same as STUFFED on the pro side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Bama 19.9% / 88
Clemson 17.6% / 47

Pass-blocking stats

Adjusted Sack Rate: An opponent-adjusted version of a team's sack rate -- sacks divided by (sacks plus passes), presented on a scale in which 100 is perfectly average, above 100 is good, below 100 is bad.

Bama 104 / 54
Clemson 239.8 / 4

Standard Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.

Bama 6.9% / 105
Clemson 3.1% / 26

Passing Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

Bama 5.5% / 29
Clemson 2.3% / 2


ETA: clarification 'despite Bama's offense being predicated on the run'
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 7:18 pm
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