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re: Can the SEC get back to the dominance we saw from 2003 to 2013?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:00 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:00 pm to deeprig9
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Ok... so you are judging the 2014-2024 SEC prematurely?
Well at this point we are 3 years into the decade and, sans Kirby, no one looks to be trending up that was hired since 2014.
Will that change? Possibly.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:03 pm to TideSaint
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I think this has a lot to do with the available coaching pool.
Who would you say is a sure fire coaching phenom in the Group of 5 and bottom to middle Power 5 right now?
PJ Fleck? Brohm at Purdue? Scott Frost?
The closest hire that was considered that was Tom Herman and the jury is still out on him. Fleck could turn into that if he has success at Minnesota. The available coaching pool is pretty weak right now.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:04 pm to TideSaint
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I think this has a lot to do with the available coaching pool.
Who would you say is a sure fire coaching phenom in the Group of 5 and bottom to middle Power 5 right now?
PJ Fleck? Brohm at Purdue? Scott Frost?
Personally, I really like DJ Durkin. Maryland looked like a top 15 team against Texas but their starting QB went out for the season in that game. Texas had 3 non offensive TDs in that game and Maryland still won by double digits.
Their #2 QB went out for the season early against UCF. That school is fricking snakebitten at QB.
I still want to see a little bit more out of Brohm and Fleck. Brohm got a lot of love because Purdue put 28 on a godawful Louisville defense and Fleck just lost at home to Maryland's 3rd string QB.
I personally think Mike Norvell will be a good coach in a big conference one day.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:06 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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The closest hire that was considered that was Tom Herman and the jury is still out on him. Fleck could turn into that if he has success at Minnesota. The available coaching pool is pretty weak right now.
It's extremely weak.
Coaching is down nation wide except for a dozen or so programs.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:01 am to Mr. Elvert
Mr. Elvert:
"Still crazy Auburn got left out in 2004"
Not really. USC and OU started the season at one and two. Neither one lost. Also, nationally they are both bigger names than AU. Plus USC invaded J-H the year before and humiliated AU 23-0 in a game not nearly as close as the score indicated. A talented AU looked inept. I realize the previous year, your "name" nor your preseason rankings should matter, but IMO, those are the reasons AU was left out. It is not surprising at all. IMO, AU actually dodged a bullet as USC would have boat raced them too. As it is, OU suffered that humiliation and AU gets to cry "what if". AU was very good, but that was a great USC team. Just bad timing for AU.
"Still crazy Auburn got left out in 2004"
Not really. USC and OU started the season at one and two. Neither one lost. Also, nationally they are both bigger names than AU. Plus USC invaded J-H the year before and humiliated AU 23-0 in a game not nearly as close as the score indicated. A talented AU looked inept. I realize the previous year, your "name" nor your preseason rankings should matter, but IMO, those are the reasons AU was left out. It is not surprising at all. IMO, AU actually dodged a bullet as USC would have boat raced them too. As it is, OU suffered that humiliation and AU gets to cry "what if". AU was very good, but that was a great USC team. Just bad timing for AU.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:23 am to tattoo
Other conferences are now following Bama's blueprint and spending the money to pursue good coaching and the necessary amenities. They have had great success.
Especially the Big 10 with Meyer and Harbaugh. Dantonio, Chryst, Ferentz and Franklin are good coaches. They may have lucked into Brohm.
The Big 12 may have hot coaches in Herman and Riley, Patterson and Gundy are proven.
The PAC12 has Petersen, Leach and Shaw, Willingham maybe Taggert and McIntyre.
The ACC has Dabo, Fuentes, Petrino, Richt, etc., and an overrated but OK Jimbo.
The SEC has Saban and conceivably Smart - that's it. Sumlin, Malzahn, Mullen, Bielima, Mason, Stoops and Mac are OK. But none look like anything more than slightly above average, 7-9 win types, certainly not consistent national title contenders or special in any way. SEC coaching is mediocre-decent.
Yes, the SEC can ascend the throne again, but not as currently constituted. The SEC still has the most fertile recruiting grounds and most passionate fans, but not surprisingly, HC is the most important component in a college football program.
Especially the Big 10 with Meyer and Harbaugh. Dantonio, Chryst, Ferentz and Franklin are good coaches. They may have lucked into Brohm.
The Big 12 may have hot coaches in Herman and Riley, Patterson and Gundy are proven.
The PAC12 has Petersen, Leach and Shaw, Willingham maybe Taggert and McIntyre.
The ACC has Dabo, Fuentes, Petrino, Richt, etc., and an overrated but OK Jimbo.
The SEC has Saban and conceivably Smart - that's it. Sumlin, Malzahn, Mullen, Bielima, Mason, Stoops and Mac are OK. But none look like anything more than slightly above average, 7-9 win types, certainly not consistent national title contenders or special in any way. SEC coaching is mediocre-decent.
Yes, the SEC can ascend the throne again, but not as currently constituted. The SEC still has the most fertile recruiting grounds and most passionate fans, but not surprisingly, HC is the most important component in a college football program.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:56 am to TideSaint
It's not like there are a lot of new faces at the top of any conference. The B10 is still basically OSU, Michigan, and PSU, with some decent programs hanging around. The ACC is still Clemson and FSU, with Miami and VT making their usual cases. (UL is riding Petrino and Jackson. Unlike some here, I don't consider Petrino a long-term threat to make UL elite in any way.) The B12 is...well, Texas isn't ascending very quickly under Herman, so we're basically at OU, with TCU carrying the torch for the usual gimmick group. P12 has USC as their standard bearer, as typical for them, with Oregon doing okay but nothing near what they were in their heyday a few years ago. Petersen and Leach are giving the two WA teams some heft, but neither have seriously threatened the very top of CFB yet and it's quite likely they never will consistently compete with the Bamas and OSUs of the world. The SEC is having a bit of a downturn lately, but the coaches at two traditional powers (UF and UGA) are still pretty new and UT is on the verge of tossing their underwhelming coach. Auburn is doing pretty well, but their HC is probably markedly less responsible for that than their talent level.
LSU is just a farce right now, with the badly-handled firing of their most successful coach and the even worse handling of hiring his replacement. More than anything, this is the poster child for the recent downturn in the SEC
LSU is just a farce right now, with the badly-handled firing of their most successful coach and the even worse handling of hiring his replacement. More than anything, this is the poster child for the recent downturn in the SEC
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 12:57 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:26 am to BranchDawg
This is fricking stupid. Quit worrying about it. Is the SEC as dominant? No. It’s still the most competitive from bottom to top. Yes. The other conferences have closed the gap.- Was always gonna be that way. Sooner or later. 3 of the SEC teams can beat anyone in the country. No other conferences have that at the moment. It wasn’t going to stay like it was forever. And who gives a shite? Other programs have closed the recruiting gap. It’s becoming the “cool” thing to go outside of the SEC.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:08 am to TideSaint
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Or was that just a once in a lifetime, lightning in a bottle decade?
Once in a lifetime.....I can't see how any one conference can ever expect to win 7 in a row again, by 4 different teams.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:20 am to TideSaint
The SEC was top heavy in 08 and 09.
There was Bama and Florida and the rest of the SEC.
This year looks about the same, two or three elite teams and that is it.
There was Bama and Florida and the rest of the SEC.
This year looks about the same, two or three elite teams and that is it.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:41 am to TideSaint
Within my lifetime sure. The Orgeron hire probably set us back 5 years though.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 8:43 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:17 am to remaster916
I think in the SEC West in particular you are running into the Saban effect. I think you are having trouble finding good coaches that want to willingly be expected to compete with the Bama machine yearly. If you make a playoff run every year in a different P5 conference that and not have to compete against Bama why not.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:18 am to TideSaint
Easy answer: add Clemson, FSU and perhaps OU and drop some dead wood programs over the side. That will fix the problem.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:20 am to TideSaint
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Can the SEC get back to the dominance we saw from 2003 to 2013?
No because y'all ruined it you dick.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:21 am to VADawg
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I personally think Mike Norvell will be a good coach in a big conference one day
He's from Arkansas, and I'm pretty sure I've heard on local radio that the Arkansas job is one he would really be interested in if it opens up
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:24 am to BranchDawg
Florida and LSU are the only one of those teams that were ever good during that time, except that few years that Arkansas had McFadden and Jones and then when they got motorcycle man
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:25 am to ClemsonRules
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Easy answer: add Clemson, FSU and perhaps OU and drop some dead wood programs over the side. That will fix the problem.
OU is the only one of those 3 with enough sack to show up. you pussies wouldnt join up and FSU has been invited more than once and declined. bitches cant hang.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:30 am to 19812016
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Florida and LSU are the only one of those teams that were ever good during that time, except that few years that Arkansas had McFadden and Jones and then when they got motorcycle man
Auburn and LSU also won National Championships during that period, so no. Florida and Alabama were not the only good teams.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:31 am to DawgsLife
Damn, reading must be hard for you
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:33 am to ClemsonRules
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Easy answer: add Clemson, FSU and perhaps OU and drop some dead wood programs over the side. That will fix the problem.
How's that an "easy answer"???
You don't think schools have long term obligations and contracts in place?When was the last time a conference "dropped"
A school"
You'd end up in court for decades especially with TV contracts involved
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