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Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:09 pm to PearlJam
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I think more realistic hope is that there isn't any evidence of any payment.
I'm not even going to go there. I'm not sticking my head in the sand on this one.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:10 pm to randomways
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So is this either illegal or against NCAA regulations?
Lack of institutional control
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:11 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
Staring down the barrel of a gun!
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:12 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
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Lack of institutional control
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:12 pm to randomways
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So is this either illegal or against NCAA regulations? With the current information, it's hard to see a major issue, given that the kid had already declared. Sounds more like an in-house issue than a legal one, doesn't it? It's extremely poor ethics and definitely an abuse of his position but can somebody clear up what other implications arise from the situation?
He hasn't declared. He is an incoming player that is a possible one and done.
Right now it is an ethics and possible legal issue for our dumbass employee. The rest hinges on whether or not he gave any money to the kid or his family.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:12 pm to randomways
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So is this either illegal or against NCAA regulations? With the current information, it's hard to see a major issue, given that the kid had already declared. Sounds more like an in-house issue than a legal one, doesn't it? It's extremely poor ethics and definitely an abuse of his position but can somebody clear up what other implications arise from the situation?
We may potentially be saved by the fact that our guy pocketed all the cash while Person shared it with his players' families.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Do you actually want someone to answer that or are you smart enough to know the answer on your own?
I figure that we don't have to worry but am not 100% sure. Is it ok with you if I get a second opinion?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:13 pm to VADawg
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FIFY. Everyone should be nervous.
Why? We are all cheating. Some are just doing it at a completely different level and have been getting away with it. Personally I hope the whole system burns. Put everyone back on the same playing field.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:13 pm to randomways
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So is this either illegal or against NCAA regulations? With the current information, it's hard to see a major issue, given that the kid had already declared. Sounds more like an in-house issue than a legal one, doesn't it? It's extremely poor ethics and definitely an abuse of his position but can somebody clear up what other implications arise from the situation?
If he is charged with no crime at all it probably means that there were potentially some discussions of bribes (enough to get him fired) but no money or proof of money exchanging hands ever happened.
If he is charged with fraud (what Persons was charged with) assume he violated NCAA rules, which in turn harmed Alabama, which means he committed fraud against Alabama by harming the university while bettering himself under their employ.
If he is not charged with fraud, but rather "use of public office for private gain" it likely means he was in fact paid to influence Sexton to sign with the financial advisor on a future date, but that Sexton, nor his family was actually paid to do so, and therefore no NCAA violation.
So basically it is a waiting game to see what if anything the FBI charges the Bama admin with.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:13 pm to Danger54
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Danger54
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AU and Bama cheating together. And they say this country is divided...
At only 48 posts in, I'd say it's likely that you have the fortitude to hang with the Rant and the OT.
Best of luck with the Poli, Book and Soccer Boards.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:16 pm to JustGetItRight
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He hasn't declared. He is an incoming player that is a possible one and done.
Ah, okay. I know virtually nothing about Bama basketball. Just going by the wording in the OP.
Edit: And now I see my mistake. I misread it as encouraging a player to sign now that he's declared rather than encouraging him to sign once he declares.
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If he is charged with no crime at all it probably means that there were potentially some discussions of bribes (enough to get him fired) but no money or proof of money exchanging hands ever happened.
If he is charged with fraud (what Persons was charged with) assume he violated NCAA rules, which in turn harmed Alabama, which means he committed fraud against Alabama by harming the university while bettering himself under their employ.
If he is not charged with fraud, but rather "use of public office for private gain" it likely means he was in fact paid to influence Sexton to sign with the financial advisor on a future date, but that Sexton, nor his family was actually paid to do so, and therefore no NCAA violation.
So basically it is a waiting game to see what if anything the FBI charges the Bama admin with.
Okay, that's a pretty thorough explanation. So the kid hasn't played yet? Not sure signing with a financial advisor is a violation -- those aren't sports-specific like agents -- but if they had the cash to do so, that could be ugly. Then, there's nothing stopping a financial advisor from working on spec.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:17 pm to AU24
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Baker may have been involved in a scheme to accept money in return for directing a UA player to sign with an Atlanta financial advisor after declaring for the NBA draft, The Tuscaloosa News has learned.
Alabama hasn't had a player drafted in 10 years lol
Seems like a whole lot of cheating for nothing.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:18 pm to Monticello
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Our best defense: "Hell, we were so committed to following NCAA rules that we hired the guy directly from the NCAA compliance department."
If I'm Alabama's AD, I think I pull a POTUS and tweet out "Hey NCAA, y'all cover this shite in your training manual?"
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:19 pm to MrAUTigers
But who comes to see the jersey? 
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:19 pm to Bill Parker?
Oh yeah, rumors are swirling about Bama basketball, you’d better believe UAB is going to pay the price! Burn that bitch to the ground.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:21 pm to AU24
Saban and Alabama do not cheat.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:22 pm to Monticello
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True but proving that Alabama hired him with the specific intent of using his NCAA knowledge to circumvent the rules will be really difficult if trying to show lack of institutional control. This specific case will result in egg all over the NCAA's face if they try to touch Bama on this one. Our defense in the public eye is too easy.
My point about Institutional Control is in reference to a high ranking Administrator being involved. The ADs and Associate ADs are the institution and the coaches are just underlings to that institution.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:23 pm to BayouBengals03
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Alabama hasn't had a player drafted in 10 years lol Seems like a whole lot of cheating for nothing.
The recruit in question is Collin Sexton. He will be drafted and drafted high.
So, I wish we could rely on a being shitty defense but that won't work in this one.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:23 pm to Monticello
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This specific case will result in egg all over the NCAA's face if they try to touch Bama on this one.
Now where, just where have we heard this before? Seems some guys from some other SEC team were spouting off the same thing not long ago.... I don't think it turned out that way for them.
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