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re: Bigger Rivalry? Michigan and Ohio State or Auburn and Alabama?
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:25 pm to beatbammer
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:25 pm to beatbammer
Obvious you didn't read the other posts after that lol.
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:32 pm to sta4ever
It's a rotational thing. Right now it's Auburn/Bama. At one time it was UM/OhSt and it has been Texas/OK before.
ND/Michigan was big once too. But, the biggest of them all, the one that endured for generations is Army/Navy.
ND/Michigan was big once too. But, the biggest of them all, the one that endured for generations is Army/Navy.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:34 pm to sta4ever
Historically, Michigan- Ohio State
Right now, bama - Auburn
Bama and Auburn took a long break. It think Michigan and OSU have played almost 40 more times
Right now, bama - Auburn
Bama and Auburn took a long break. It think Michigan and OSU have played almost 40 more times
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:37 pm to sarc
Well yea, of course some games are more relevant to others. But OSU/UM is relevant to people across the country, not just in the north. The iron bowl, for my whole life up until cam, gave me no reason to watch. That was relevant to the south but to the rest of the country, not so much. Not like UM/OSU, or the way FSU/the U used to be
Of course it's the exact opposite now
Of course it's the exact opposite now
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:38 pm to ljhog
I rate this rivalry not on the importance of the football game nationally, but on the real hatred these people have for one another. Unless you have experienced it, its difficult to fathom how much this impacts these folk's day to day. This rivalry is 24/7, 365. The only true break I ever witnessed was the Tuscaloosa tornado and even then it was only a fleeting break. Its very serious.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:38 pm to nebraskafaninwi
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Obvious you didn't read the other posts after that lol.
Don't care what the other posts said (the one's you were rationalizing and moving goalposts in).
You quoted view number statistics without ANY context (broadcast network vs. cable). And we all know the reason why.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:40 pm to WestCoastAg
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Well yea, of course some games are more relevant to others. But OSU/UM is relevant to people across the country, not just in the north. The iron bowl, for my whole life up until cam, gave me no reason to watch. That was relevant to the south but to the rest of the country, not so much. Not like UM/OSU, or the way FSU/the U used to be
Goodness. For the last 25 years the southeast has dominated college football. Auburn-Alabama has been a top 5 rivalry that entire time. The idea that it hasn't had significance outside of SEC country is laughable.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:41 pm to Pettifogger
quote:not for the majority of my college football watching life
The idea that it hasn't had significance outside of the country is laughable.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:46 pm to WestCoastAg
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not for the majority of my college football watching life
You try pretty hard on this board to downplay the significance of the Southeast in sports, so I think your perspective is likely skewed. You're also biased toward pro sports, which I think you'll acknowledge.
25 years is quite a while to most on this site. Moreover, it's not like these programs were insignificant before that time. Furthermore, as inclusive as the South may be, the reach of things in Michigan and Ohio, two states of decreasing influence for 20 years or more, has rendered Michigan/OSU nearly a ceremonial rivalry.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:52 pm to Pettifogger
quote:I do like pro sports more. I don't see what that has to do though
You're also biased toward pro sports, which I think you'll acknowledge
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Furthermore, as inclusive as the South may be, the reach of things in Michigan and Ohio, two states of decreasing influence for 20 years or more, has rendered Michigan/OSU nearly a ceremonial rivalry
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:55 pm to WestCoastAg
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I do like pro sports more. I don't see what that has to do though
Pro sports fans are more likely to see the south, which has traditionally been a, or perhaps the, central region of emphasis for collegiate sports, less objectively, IMO.
And laugh all you want. If you think Michigan and Ohio haven't declined in overall influence in the last two decades, you need more guidance than I can give you.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:57 pm to Pettifogger
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Pro sports fans are more likely to see the south, which has traditionally been a, or perhaps the, central region of emphasis for collegiate sports, less objectively, IMO.
quote:Ohio state jumped two 1 loss teams to get into the playoffs and Michigan just got one of the three top coaches in all of football. Their influence is right where it usually is
If you think Michigan and Ohio haven't declined in overall influence in the last two decades, you need more guidance than I can give you.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:02 pm to WestCoastAg
I really don't see why this topic has created such a cluster. Alabama and Auburn doesn't have an Akron, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit etc.
Alabama doesn't have the markets and established economic distributive qualities as those universities do. There is no pro sport in Alabama. Basketball and baseball are somewhat of an afterthought in the minds of the casual crowd and the sidewalkers. So in all reality, with football the only thing most Alabamians have to mostly focus on, I just feel myself that does add some importance and hatred to the rivalry.
Michigan and OSU may have a lot more behind them in terms of history, but the HATRED I can guarantee you is nowhere near what Alabama and Auburn or even LSU is. Those two teams are surrounded by pro teams and a lot more of a diverse crowd of sports fan.
BUT, the question is....what is the BIGGER rivalry, which would undoubtedly be Michigan vs. OSU. More fans, more interest from around the country as a biproduct.
Alabama doesn't have the markets and established economic distributive qualities as those universities do. There is no pro sport in Alabama. Basketball and baseball are somewhat of an afterthought in the minds of the casual crowd and the sidewalkers. So in all reality, with football the only thing most Alabamians have to mostly focus on, I just feel myself that does add some importance and hatred to the rivalry.
Michigan and OSU may have a lot more behind them in terms of history, but the HATRED I can guarantee you is nowhere near what Alabama and Auburn or even LSU is. Those two teams are surrounded by pro teams and a lot more of a diverse crowd of sports fan.
BUT, the question is....what is the BIGGER rivalry, which would undoubtedly be Michigan vs. OSU. More fans, more interest from around the country as a biproduct.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:03 pm to WestCoastAg
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Ohio state jumped two 1 loss teams to get into the playoffs and Michigan just got one of the three top coaches in all of football. Their influence is right where it usually is
Point taken, such an impressive accomplishment for Michigan to reel in a disgruntled NFL coach who went to Michigan and who made it clear he wanted to be the head coach of Michigan.
Regarding influence, it's amazing to witness all the people flooding to be a part of those states, just a total surge of influence. No wonder that rivalry has flourished recently. But hey, it is true that Columbus has seen its influence rise as two other major cities in Ohio failed right off the map.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:07 pm to FourThreeForty
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BUT, the question is....what is the BIGGER rivalry, which would undoubtedly be Michigan vs. OSU. More fans, more interest from around the country as a biproduct.
I wouldn't dispute this entirely. I do think, as someone said, it's a broader rivalry. Whether it is a bigger rivalry may be more subjective. Auburn Alabama has been more meaningful, and perhaps more desirable as a sports-watching event.
I also suspect that Alabama is picking up new fans at a higher rate than either OSU or Michigan these days, and as the south continues to beat the midwest region in various areas, things like the UM-OSU rivalry will be impacted in an ancillary fashion.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:33 pm to Pettifogger
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Whether it is a bigger rivalry may be more subjective. Auburn Alabama has been more meaningful, and perhaps more desirable as a sports-watching event.
It is obvious you don't know crap about the OSU vs MI rivalry.
Football is older than 2008...just so you know.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:42 pm to nebraskafaninwi
quote:Yeah, but I'm not. So for me, the Iron Bowl shits on "The game."
Football is older than 2008...just so you know.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 3:09 pm to WestCoastAg
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But OSU/UM is relevant to people across the country, not just in the north.
Based on what? You've said it was relevant to you. I've said it wasn't relevant to me (or anyone I knew growing up for that matter). How did you determine it is relevant to people across the country?
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 3:16 pm to sarc
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How did you determine it is relevant to people across the country?
Historically it has influenced who plays in the Rose Bowl so people on the west coast care whether they are Ohio State or Michigan fans. The Iron Bowl historically could impact the Sugar Bowl at best which is mostly southerners.
So, historically The Game has had more impact and interest nationally than the Iron Bowl. It had an even larger significance before 1976. Until then, only the Big Ten champion went to a bowl game and that game was the Rose Bowl.
So, when you look at the bowl record of Ohio State and Michigan realize that they didn't play in lesser bowls. This is also the reason they've played in fewer bowl games.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 3:33 pm to VABuckeye
Good points. I just take exception to the claim that no one outside the SEC knew or cared about the Iron Bowl prior to the last few years. Even if it's true that the casual football fan was more aware of The Game, I bet avid college football fans, sports writers, and broadcasters would've voted the Iron Bowl equal to, if not greater than, the The Game in terms of intensity.
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