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Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:08 pm to Mizz-SEC
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So winning the conference was the original criteria.
No, it goes back before WWII and was more national stage stuff. Back when Georgia Tech was in the SEC the Notre Dame vs Georgia Tech was a big time game. I think one of the Tulane opt outs put the Tide in the Rose Bowl in the 20's or 30's. Georgia Tech hiring Heisman from Auburn was big. Neyland was big long before Majors or Phil.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:11 pm to Sid E Walker
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Pell doesn't get the credit he deserves for getting the Gator booster clubs going. That was the foundation for the success that came later with Hall, Spurrier, and Meyer.
True, but Hall was his #2 before he became #2 under JoPa if memory serves, so I would put Pell and Hall together. Spurrier gained from what both built, otherwise Spurrier has to start much lower and the results may have been much different.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:16 pm to Mizz-SEC
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If Mizzou takes down an SEC title, it's a fait accompli.
Well, for what it's worth, someone did suggest in post a while back about the SEC demographics changing enough that it should now be split up as follows:
Big 6
Middle 4 (teams that had gone to the SEC Championship Game but had lost: Arky, MSU, Mizzou, SCar)
Little 4 (teams that had never gone to the SEC Championship Game: UK, Ole Miss, A&M, Vandy)
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Tulane has more conference championships than all but one of the little 8 schools 
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:25 pm to Vols&Shaft83
YUUUUP!
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:29 pm to Mizz-SEC
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So winning the conference was the original criteria. Not the bullshite added by the Big 6 like layers of doctrine at a theological seminary. Uh-huh.
Well, it's kind of like joining a social fraternity or exclusive country club really. If you want in, better be prepared for all of the impending hazing, etc. that goes along with it.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:33 pm to Sid E Walker
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Pell doesn't get the credit he deserves for getting the Gator booster clubs going.
I can't tell if you're making a bad pun or not about all of the "recognition" that he received from the NCAA investigators that were on campus.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:41 pm to TheDude321
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Big 6
Middle 4 (teams that had gone to the SEC Championship Game but had lost: Arky, MSU, Mizzou, SCar)
Little 4 (teams that had never gone to the SEC Championship Game: UK, Ole Miss, A&M, Vandy)
Makes some sense but it is fluid long term, not static. You can move up or down, but it has to be by displacement and some schools like Bama are pretty damn secure. If you wind up with say 8 teams with SEC CCG wins AND MNC's then it would still be "The Six" with the top 6 being in the club and the next two being the team in waiting. While Georgia Tech and Tulane are no longer in the SEC, if Georgia Tech was still in and had 4 MNC's in 4 different decades with 4 different coaches they would be hard to displace if say Arkansas, Kentucky, or Mizzou won their first in the CCG era, especially now we have the Playoff.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 10:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
there is no team even close to a bona fide nomination into the big 6. if ole miss catches on fire and wins a few NC's and SEC's and most of it's games for the next 10 years maybe they should be nominated. and there's no way the aggy or mizzou can be nominated for another 25 to 30 years; they simply haven't been around long enough and their records before joining the SEC were pretty mediocre.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 10:45 pm to LSU GrandDad
If TAMU or MU won 3 Natty's in the next 5 years that would be pretty stout. Once you get say 8 for the 6, then I think you have to look at duration and one of my favorite metrics….
Multiple Natty's under multiple coaches over multiple decades
Bama and Vols lead the pack here in football, and UK has excelled in basketball with 5 coaches taking an SEC team to the promised land. I also think Auburn's unclaimed claim could be considered if they were tied with another school with equal street cred. Undefeated since 2000 is a bit harder than undefeated in 1900. Conversely, the Hogs MNC from the 60's has value but not as a pure SEC win. Their basketball Natty in the 90's was full SEC so full value (plus it was more recent than 1960.
Even if you went to a 16 team SEC, The Six should remain for football and maybe The Three or The Four for M & W basketball. Baseball could probably be a Six sport, and probably softball too. Volleyball and Gymnastics might top out at 3 or 4. In the end you want to limit membership to the best of the best conference. Going halfway in any sport makes it seem too easy to achieve.
Multiple Natty's under multiple coaches over multiple decades
Bama and Vols lead the pack here in football, and UK has excelled in basketball with 5 coaches taking an SEC team to the promised land. I also think Auburn's unclaimed claim could be considered if they were tied with another school with equal street cred. Undefeated since 2000 is a bit harder than undefeated in 1900. Conversely, the Hogs MNC from the 60's has value but not as a pure SEC win. Their basketball Natty in the 90's was full SEC so full value (plus it was more recent than 1960.
Even if you went to a 16 team SEC, The Six should remain for football and maybe The Three or The Four for M & W basketball. Baseball could probably be a Six sport, and probably softball too. Volleyball and Gymnastics might top out at 3 or 4. In the end you want to limit membership to the best of the best conference. Going halfway in any sport makes it seem too easy to achieve.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 11:04 pm to Mizz-SEC
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So winning the conference was the original criteria.
Not the bullshite added by the Big 6 like layers of doctrine at a theological seminary. Uh-huh.
The Big 6 WILL be cracked this decade.
We've raised the bar bro
Welcome to the SEC
Posted on 8/28/15 at 11:06 pm to GFaceKillah
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wow, just wow
that makes the black bear's division championship banner look legit...
Posted on 8/28/15 at 11:31 pm to texag7
Since 1976 no one in the none big six has won an SEC title.
Not a single one of you bottom eight are even remotely close to big boy status.
Not a single one of you bottom eight are even remotely close to big boy status.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 11:38 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Since 1976 no one in the none big six has won an SEC title.
UK got a slice in 76' - I know that was before Gators played football - but it happened. Would have gotten 77 as well if Fran had maintained control.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 12:51 am to Cheese Grits
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UK got a slice in 76' - I know that was before Gators played football - but it happened. Would have gotten 77 as well if Fran had maintained control.
Yes. Which is why I said since 1976. You're retarded aren't you?
Posted on 8/29/15 at 1:00 am to Gatorbait2008
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You're retarded aren't you?
Maybe yes, maybe no, but you seem 100% rustled.
Korin, is this the new you?
Posted on 8/29/15 at 3:43 am to Cheese Grits
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If TAMU or MU won 3 Natty's in the next 5 years that would be pretty stout. Once you get say 8 for the 6, then I think you have to look at duration and one of my favorite metrics….
Yea, TAMU or MU having 3 recent Natty's wouldn't look as good as all the "Big 6" members who only have 1-2.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 3:51 am to dcbl
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wow, just wow
that makes the black bear's division championship banner look legit...
I was thinking of Auburn's claimed '83 and '93 natty's.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 7:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
15 & 0 would get a team to Big 1...
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