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re: Big 12 commish: We make more than the SEC!
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:19 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:19 pm to cardboardboxer
This conversation reminds me of something attributed to Benjamin Franklin during the Revolutionary War.
"We must all hang together, or we shall surely all hang separately."
For the SEC splitting the money up as evenly as possible has proven to be the best way for everyone, including the top dogs, to make as much money as possible. With even rosier profits floating on the horizon I might add.
The days of being able to offer just one or two teams are dying. The Irish and BYU get away with it to a degree because of their religious ties. Yet even the Irish have forged closer ties with the ACC.
The SEC offers up the whole conference as a product worth watching. Sure some teams are better draws then others, but by offering up the whole conference as being something worth watching when those top teams stumble and fall the SEC doesn't lose a step.
We don't do it out of the kindness of our heart. We do it because its good business for everyone. The sad thing is I don't think the Horns will ever understand that.
"We must all hang together, or we shall surely all hang separately."
For the SEC splitting the money up as evenly as possible has proven to be the best way for everyone, including the top dogs, to make as much money as possible. With even rosier profits floating on the horizon I might add.
The days of being able to offer just one or two teams are dying. The Irish and BYU get away with it to a degree because of their religious ties. Yet even the Irish have forged closer ties with the ACC.
The SEC offers up the whole conference as a product worth watching. Sure some teams are better draws then others, but by offering up the whole conference as being something worth watching when those top teams stumble and fall the SEC doesn't lose a step.
We don't do it out of the kindness of our heart. We do it because its good business for everyone. The sad thing is I don't think the Horns will ever understand that.
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:27 pm to JesusQuintana
The Big 12 sucks arse. Hopefully one day you all will let us in the SEC 
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:33 pm to JesusQuintana
Obviously Texas. My guess is he's not real strong on math and doesn't understand what "a couple" is. But it may be OU, I dunno. Whatever, more power to them. If Bowlsby thinks destroying a conference so that one team can profit is a good business model, then I say go for it.
The morons still don't get it, but that's fine.
The morons still don't get it, but that's fine.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:39 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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EKG, it has everything to do with an article by butthurt Paul Burka in Texas Monthly quoting an "anonymous female cadet" (who quit before the article was written) that claimed that PMC would jerk off horses into mason jars. (while PMC does some pretty bizarre things, that's extreme, even for them)
I had a female roommate that was trying to be a vet that definitely jerked off horses for one of her classes but I think they have like a bag or something.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
So...jizz jars is a lie? Do we need to scuttle them overboard in favor of jizz bags?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:55 pm to Sevendust912
I honestly feel bad for WVU on an island while Maryland and Lousiville are better off.
Better than what UCONN got though.
Better than what UCONN got though.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:03 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Horse laugh kits
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:05 pm to EKG
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Horse laugh kits
***spins gravel hightailing it for patent office***
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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I honestly feel bad for WVU on an island while Maryland and Lousiville are better off.
It sucks but I'm still holding out hope the SEC or ACC will take us someday, though it's definitely a longshot.
Being in a league with Texas sucks.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:07 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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So...jizz jars is a lie? Do we need to scuttle them overboard in favor of jizz bags?
"Jizz bags" made me die laughing.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:11 pm to texashorn
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What's the matter, Old Sarge, can't handle a little discussion? Do you feel threatened that West Virginia, Kansas and Oklahoma make more than the $25 million number used in comparison to the SEC at 32?
I was wrong. For the year you were quoting the Big 12 gave a 67% payout to WVU and TCU. The year after was 84%. This season it is up to 100%.
That means WVU didn't make squat compared to the SEC in that time frame:
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What it also means is the Big 12 numbers will keep dropping per team as that number moves to 100% this season for those two memebers. What sucks is the B1G had the same setup, but the deal was Rutgers and Maryland were buying in to the part of the B1G Network owned by the conference (49%). WVU and TCU get jack crap for equity out of the deal, is it just a way to artificially boost the amount per team early on. Given their travel costs, there is no way WVU wouldn't prefer to be in the SEC right now because they would make more money.
It also hurts WVU because it prevents expansion as two new teams from outside the Power 5 would divide the pot even more in almost every case. That prevents WVU from getting any team closer to it, so it has to live on an island for a while. I wonder if they were secretly rooting against the NCAA rule change on conference championship games, as without that the Big 12 would have been forced to expand. Maybe not in their direction though knowing the Big 12.
TCU on the other hand is loving the new stage. And good for them.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:15 pm to Sevendust912
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It sucks but I'm still holding out hope the SEC or ACC will take us someday, though it's definitely a longshot.
Y'all are in a good location, just need some more football success.
I am rooting for WVU.
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Being in a league with Texas sucks.
I know three SEC teams that agree.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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Tier 4- Radio and merchandising rights
Dude, I have been following realignment since Tulane and Georgia Tech dropped out back in the 60's and this is the first time I ever heard of Tier 4. Even when Dosh was writing some of the best financial articles on realignment back in 2010 she always lumped radio and such into Tier III as it was the lowest level.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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Y'all are in a good location, just need some more football success.
It doesn't help that our football coach is getting drunk with players and it's on you tube, and it happened 3 days ago.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:21 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:05 pm to Cheese Grits
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Dude, I have been following realignment since Tulane and Georgia Tech dropped out back in the 60's and this is the first time I ever heard of Tier 4. Even when Dosh was writing some of the best financial articles on realignment back in 2010 she always lumped radio and such into Tier III as it was the lowest level.
At one point (as recently as today for some conferences) only Tier 1 and 2 really were monetizable. Tier 3 was defined as everything that couldn't be sold in the main TV package, as you say the lowest level. It was pretty much worthless, as no one but regional networks wanted to touch the worst OOC games, many basketball games and non major revenue sports plus radio. So all that got licensed separately in whatever way could make a buck or get exposure like PPV TV.
But with the rise of conference networks and team specific networks, plus the rise in popularity of college football and basketball, there has been a need to separate the lowest-end video content from the radio and licensing because it DOES have pretty significant value as distribution platforms have grown and multiplied. Plus the content was needed to prop up the mafia-like team/conference network deals.
The LHN pays Texas nearly $15 million a year on average for a max of three crappy football games,a few basketball games, and the non revenue men's and women's sports. The B1G, SEC and PAC also separate the lowest end video content from the radio and other old tier 3 stuff. Both the PAC Network and the SEC Network have alternative channels, regional channels and digital channels to distribute the true tier 3 content while the B1G is moving to 4 tiers in the next deal.
In the modern Big 12 not everyone sells their radio rights separately from their low end video rights, and so in say WVU's case there are only three tiers as is traditional too. But when you consider the other conferences with multi-channel plus conference network deals then you need a way to differentiate between a CBS/ABC level game, an ESPN 2 level game, a SEC Network alternate channel/LHN/Regional PAC channel level football or men's basketball game, and radio. Tier 4 exists out necessity when comparing media deals, otherwise you end up comparing the WVU deal to the SEC Network therefore missing a key revenue or exposure difference.
Tier 4 for the SEC is the last real difference in revenues as the Alabama's and Kentucky's can make more on licensing and revenue than a MSU. The SEC doesn't split all of the pie evenly, and some of the radio deals are pretty big by themselves.
On the TV side any discussion of media tiers might be useless once the B1G Tier 1 extension is done, as no Power 5 content will hit the market for a decade. By that time distribution might be so different that we are back to three tiers- CBS games, SEC Network Games, and everything else. Or maybe something without tiers or network TV, who knows.
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:14 pm to Sevendust912
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It doesn't help that our football coach is getting drunk with players and it's on you tube, and it happened 3 days ago.
Drinking seems to be his thing.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:24 pm to texashorn
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:41 pm to cardboardboxer
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I wonder if they were secretly rooting against the NCAA rule change on conference championship games, as without that the Big 12 would have been forced to expand. Maybe not in their direction though knowing the Big 12.
Bowlsby, the Big XII commissioner, knows they can't expand because no university in their right mind wants to enter the Big XII & deal with the Longhorns bullshite. Bowlsby is the one leading the charge for the NCAA to lift the 12 school rule restriction on conference championship games.
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Legislation allowing for the deregulation of conference championship games is now expected to be passed by 2016, CBSSports.com has learned.
The move would directly impact the Big 12 and ACC, which developed the legislation. The Big 12, which is the only Power Five league without a championship game, is merely seeking the option of staging such a contest with 10 teams. The ACC’s ultimate intentions with a 14-team league in football, one which already holds a championship game, are not clear.
Current NCAA rules state a league must have at least 12 teams in order to play a conference title game. Those teams also must play a round-robin within each division.
The legislation is now expected to move forward after being delayed somewhat by NCAA governance reform. CBSSports.com reported last year that legislation had formally been submitted.
“I think there’s some belief that ACC would play three divisions, have two highest-ranked play in postseason,” said Bob Bowlsby, chairman of the new NCAA Football Oversight Committee. “Really, nobody cares how you determine your champion. It should be a conference-level decision.
“But because the ACC has persisted in saying, ‘We’re not sure what we’ll do,’ there’s probably a little bit of a shadow over it. In the end, I don’t think it’ll be able to hold it up. We’ll probably have it in place for ‘16.”
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Critics have long pined for a so-called “commissioner” of football and basketball. Bowlsby and UCLA athletic director Dan Guerrero -- chairman of Basketball Oversight -- are as close to those designations as there is these days.
Both committees will include 12 members -- four from the new NCAA Council, seven non-Council members and one athlete. The football committee will oversee only Division I, which includes the 128 Football Bowl Subdivision programs and the 124 in the Football Championship Subdivision. The committees are still being assembled using competency-based guidelines. Previously, the NCAA adhered to rigid gender and diversity guidelines that critics say didn't always mean the most qualified members were in place.
The new basketball and football committees are expected to lessen coaches’ influence in the process, according to Bowlsby. Nick Saban and Arkansas’ Bret Bielema spoke to the NCAA football rules committee in 2014 about the so-called 10-second rule. The controversial change in pace of play was ultimately tabled.
“The NFL, they don’t ask coaches what they think about the rules,” Bowlsby said. “The owners make the rules.”
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Bowlsby & all the rest of the Big XII officials are all big pussies. Too scared to reign in Texas for the overall good of the conference.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:53 pm to BigBrod81
Bowlsby is just going down the same path chosen by previous Big XII commissioner Dan Beebe.
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Beebe's preferential treatment of Texas did not go overlooked by other members of the Big 12. As his tenure wore on after his hiring in 2007, some member institutions -- particularly Nebraska and Texas A&M -- grew tired of being in a conference where one school was more important than the other.
Beebe would never say this, of course. And naturally, there were other shortcomings of his leadership that serve as evidence Beebe came with an expiration date.
Take television money. As other conferences began building their own dedicated television networks, the Big 12 dragged its heels. Schools in the Big Ten were raking in around $15 million more than schools in the Big 12, thanks to better TV deals and the young-but-promising Big Ten Network.
Beebe could have worked to build the Big 12's own custom cable network. Instead, he let Texas enter in to its own agreement with ESPN that jumpstarted the Longhorn Network -- a cable operation providing 24-hour coverage of Texas Longhorns sports.
The move gave Texas an easy $15 million in its pocket -- along with unmatched exposure as the only college sports department with its own television network -- while the rest of the Big 12 sat idly by. The Longhorn Network effectively reduced the value of any television package the Big 12 might pursue, adversely affecting the already-slim TV revenues earned by the other 11 member schools.
Not to mention the Longhorn Network reeked of Beebe's Texas favoritism.
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And so Beebe left the Big 12 in 2011 by "mutual agreement." He was replaced by interim commissioner Chuck Neinas, who managed the league competently and calmed the rough waters before ceding his position to Bob Bowlsby the following May.
If you think the damage inflicted by Dan Beebe is in the rear-view mirror, think again. Here's Bowlsby talking to The Oklahoman in October about the Big 12's television opportunities given that one of its member schools has its own dedicated network:
"The Longhorn Network is a boulder in the road. It really is. They did something that almost no other institution in the country could do because of the population in the state, and we’re looking at some way to try and morph that around a little bit."
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