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Posted on 8/27/16 at 7:01 pm to UFFan
The irony is, a significant percentage of AU fans I spoke with in late '08 were convinced we were going to hire Muschamp as HC.
I'll never forget talking to my best friend from my AU days, who lives in Iowa. When I first told him Chiz's name had come up late in the hiring process he laughed out loud and said "He's widely considered a total failure up here, there's no way our AD is that stupid. Hiring Chizik would be an admission that no one else remotely qualified would take the job if offered."
How tha idiot managed to win a BCSC, even behind the greatest season by a QB in the history of college football, is beyond me.
So, I'd still say Chiz's was the worse hire.
I'll never forget talking to my best friend from my AU days, who lives in Iowa. When I first told him Chiz's name had come up late in the hiring process he laughed out loud and said "He's widely considered a total failure up here, there's no way our AD is that stupid. Hiring Chizik would be an admission that no one else remotely qualified would take the job if offered."
How tha idiot managed to win a BCSC, even behind the greatest season by a QB in the history of college football, is beyond me.
So, I'd still say Chiz's was the worse hire.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 7:11 pm to UFFan
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Well the 5-19 was at ISU and the 28-22 was at UF. Right after Urban Meyer.
I'd say it's about a wash.
What? Does that mean that Mushcamp gets part credit for winning SEC East last year.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 7:18 pm to rockiee
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Does that mean that Mushcamp gets part credit for winning SEC East last year
Absolutely,he left that roster loaded with 3 consecutive top 8 recruiting classes.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 7:21 pm to RD Dawg
Which is still the scariest part to me. For us, I mean
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:01 pm to UFFan
There are MANY similarities in Chiz and Muschamp. Both were DC's for Tubs at AU and both had AU defenses ranked top 5 nationally.
Chiz was the DC for AU's 2004 undefeated team. He left after that year and went to Texas and won a NC there his first year. So he went like 26-0 as a DC (and should have had back to back NC's).
Muschamp came to AU in 2006 and had AU rolling on D (#2 I believe). After two seasons, Muschamp left to take the Texas DC job (after Chizik left Texas for ISU).
Fast forward to 2008 and Chizik gets hired as HC at AU out of nowhere after going 5-19 at ISU. I am sure he was hired because of his resume as a DC (which was stellar -- probably the best in America). I think AU's logic was "nobody can win at ISU, so we'll ignore that."
At about the same time, Muschamp gets hired by Florida out of nowhere. Like Chizik, his DC resume was outstanding. Top 10 defenses almost every year he was a DC, no matter the school. You can't blame Florida for the hire.
In his second year (and $180K later), Chizik goes 14-0 and wins the NC.
In his second year, Muschamp has an 11 win season and it looks like Florida is back ready to take over the east.
After Gus leaves as OC, Chizik goes 3-9 and is fired. It was the worst season in AU football history and resulted in the worst loss ever at Jordan-Hare (TAMU put 63 on us). AU lost to Vandy and it took overtime to defeat LA-Monroe.
After firing coordinators, Muschamp's Florida teams get worse and worse. Perhaps the lowest of the low was losing to Georgia Southern (an FCS school) which I don't think had ever happened to Florida in its history. Muschamp wasn't fired that year, but was fired the next.
Now fast forward to 2015 and USCe suddenly hires Muschamp as HC. It was much like the situation when Chizik was hired as HC at AU. The only difference is that Chizik went 5-19 at one of the absolute worst schools in the power 5 while Muschamp failed at one of the BEST schools in the Power 5. Granted the standards of Florida are much higher than at ISU.
So, since Chiz and Champ are brothers from another mother, we only need to look at Chiz's record as AU's HC to predict Muschamp's record at USCe. I got good news for the Cocks -- you will win the NC in 2017!
Chiz was the DC for AU's 2004 undefeated team. He left after that year and went to Texas and won a NC there his first year. So he went like 26-0 as a DC (and should have had back to back NC's).
Muschamp came to AU in 2006 and had AU rolling on D (#2 I believe). After two seasons, Muschamp left to take the Texas DC job (after Chizik left Texas for ISU).
Fast forward to 2008 and Chizik gets hired as HC at AU out of nowhere after going 5-19 at ISU. I am sure he was hired because of his resume as a DC (which was stellar -- probably the best in America). I think AU's logic was "nobody can win at ISU, so we'll ignore that."
At about the same time, Muschamp gets hired by Florida out of nowhere. Like Chizik, his DC resume was outstanding. Top 10 defenses almost every year he was a DC, no matter the school. You can't blame Florida for the hire.
In his second year (and $180K later), Chizik goes 14-0 and wins the NC.
In his second year, Muschamp has an 11 win season and it looks like Florida is back ready to take over the east.
After Gus leaves as OC, Chizik goes 3-9 and is fired. It was the worst season in AU football history and resulted in the worst loss ever at Jordan-Hare (TAMU put 63 on us). AU lost to Vandy and it took overtime to defeat LA-Monroe.
After firing coordinators, Muschamp's Florida teams get worse and worse. Perhaps the lowest of the low was losing to Georgia Southern (an FCS school) which I don't think had ever happened to Florida in its history. Muschamp wasn't fired that year, but was fired the next.
Now fast forward to 2015 and USCe suddenly hires Muschamp as HC. It was much like the situation when Chizik was hired as HC at AU. The only difference is that Chizik went 5-19 at one of the absolute worst schools in the power 5 while Muschamp failed at one of the BEST schools in the Power 5. Granted the standards of Florida are much higher than at ISU.
So, since Chiz and Champ are brothers from another mother, we only need to look at Chiz's record as AU's HC to predict Muschamp's record at USCe. I got good news for the Cocks -- you will win the NC in 2017!
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:09 pm to UFFan
Bucky, and it ain't close.
Ole Miss fans will soon see this is true.
Ole Miss fans will soon see this is true.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:09 pm to UFFan
Chizik all time.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:17 pm to UFFan
Here's all you need to know about Chizik's hiring. Most people thought Auburn should have hired Turner Gill instead.
And at that point Turner Gill actually did have a more impressive resume than Chizik.
And at that point Turner Gill actually did have a more impressive resume than Chizik.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:21 pm to LSUNV
Chiz also won a NC at Texas before he was a HC.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:46 pm to TheDeathValley
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Chiz also won a NC at Texas before he was a HC.
And was the DC during Auburn's 14-0 run in 2004. The very next year he went to Texas and went undefeated there too.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:51 pm to UFFan
Chizik
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:49 pm to AUstar
It shouldnt go unmentioned, however, that the greatest SEC football program of all time, coming off a 5-year stretch where they had won 85% of their games, an NC, an SECC, and finished ranked in the top 5 three times, hired a guy with a far less impressive resume than either Chiz or Boom:
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 2:07 am to UFFan
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I was referring to the resume before they got hired.
In that case the answer should be Ron Zook
Posted on 8/28/16 at 10:14 am to TigerintheNO
I was actually thinking of Ron Zook due to how unpopular his hiring was.
But then again Pete Caroll's hiring at USCw was notoriously unpopular too. Probably every bit as unpopular as Zook's hiring was.
But then again Pete Caroll's hiring at USCw was notoriously unpopular too. Probably every bit as unpopular as Zook's hiring was.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 12:33 pm to RD Dawg
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Absolutely,he left that roster loaded with 3 consecutive top 8 recruiting classes.
I agree especially considering their defense lead them most of last year. Don't try to tell that to some UF fans though. The only thing that matters is Oline.
Its ok to admit he didn't do a good job coaching but recruiting some great players for that defense.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 12:48 pm to UFFan
quote:Resume at time of hire- Chizik was worse by a mile.
Based purely on their resume who was the worse hiring
Muschamp at South Caroina or Chizik at Auburn?
Muschamp had Zook-like numbers at Fla, meaning unimpressive but not terrible either. Plus he was coach in waiting at Texas; you could suggest that he will be a good coach, but stepped into too big a job with the Gators.
Chizik was a weird call- even Derek Dooley at Tennessee seemed to have more peripheral credentials than the Chiz did. Why did they go that route? Beloved defensive coordinator?
Posted on 8/28/16 at 12:58 pm to Scoob
I would say Chiz. It was a head scratcher of a hire, but bama had hired Saban and the winds were changing and it was obvious. My guess is Tubb's was relatively respected in traditional coaches circles and JJ was seen as unstable by any legit candidate. Add that together with Saban and bama moving forward and you end up with Chiz. I believe Auburn's a top 12 program all time, but we have had trouble getting a big name through out the years mainly because we are stuck in a bama, uga and ut...now bama, lsu, uga triangle. It's not considered a terrible job, but most coaches prefer easier sledding if it is to be found.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 1:07 pm to UFFan
I would say Muschamp because Chizik was coaching at a school where it would be hard to judge success. Muschamp coached at Florida where It would be a lot easier to recruit. If you cannot get it done at Florida with all of the built in advantages I don't think you could get it done anywhere. Having said that I am not sure either one is head coach material but they are both top notch defensive minds.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 2:45 pm to AUstar
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I got good news for the Cocks -- you will win the NC in 2017!
Makes total sense ...
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