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re: Bama fans...just a question regarding Shula
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:52 am to Roses of Crimson
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:52 am to Roses of Crimson
AU went up 21-0 in 2005 and bama had almost -100 yards in the first quarter. And bama was 10-1 coming into that game.
AU was about to go up 28-0 when a fumble gave bama 7 points. AU quickly scored again and went up 28-7 and Tubs shut it down. May could have won that game by 40, but AU shut down the offense and no more points were scored until a bama td with a few seconds left against the AU backups.
AU was about to go up 28-0 when a fumble gave bama 7 points. AU quickly scored again and went up 28-7 and Tubs shut it down. May could have won that game by 40, but AU shut down the offense and no more points were scored until a bama td with a few seconds left against the AU backups.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:55 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Plus yall wouldn't have taken so much heat if you had just fired miles as opposed to shopping his still occupied job to an FSU coach who also still had a job and then getting cold feat.
I don't get why most LSU fans don't understand this. It's the complete reason why this turned into a fiasco at all. UGA fires Richt and it's business as usual, and yall are all shouting "DOUBLE-STANDARD!!!" The difference is that they didn't torture him for 3 weeks, hanging him out in front of the local media with bullshite leaks, etc. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THIS BECAME A BIG DEAL.
Alleva has fricked this all up from the beginning to end. He didn't show up to the Miles and Chavis meeting, he refused to pony up the money to keep him, and he indicated there wouldn't be any money to hire quality assistants going forward. Most importantly, he COMPLETELY fricked this Miles thing up. Firing him and finding a worth a shite AD is the first step to rehabbing athletics here. He was a joke at Duke and he's a joke here too.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:56 am to MontyFranklyn
I didn't realize it at the time and thought saban to bama was a pipe dream, but in hind sight it made lots of sense.
Saban was going to be a slightly above average coach as long as he stayed in Miami. In college he could build a program through recruiting and the problem with the bama job was always boosters and Bryant Jr post Bear.
Saban knew he could squash those problems with Mals support and build a power again.
Saban was going to be a slightly above average coach as long as he stayed in Miami. In college he could build a program through recruiting and the problem with the bama job was always boosters and Bryant Jr post Bear.
Saban knew he could squash those problems with Mals support and build a power again.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:10 am to cmayes56
He may have quit, but don't act like Curry wasn't forced out.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:10 am to JustGetItRight
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he also wasn't ever going to be more than slightly better than average.
We'll never know, but I don't think this is accurate. He played with as few as about 60 scholarship players. I think he would have done well with a full complement.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:12 am to Roses of Crimson
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there were some serious respect for authority on that team. Players were constantly late for meetings, would bring food into meetings, late to the practice field, etc and he did nothing.
I remember a joke from that time that went something like
"If more than two Bama players are in a car, who's driving?"
"The police"
It was sad because it was completely true.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:18 am to The Egg
Yes, they allowed his Dad to vent tirelessly about it.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:19 am to Evolved Simian
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We'll never know, but I don't think this is accurate. He played with as few as about 60 scholarship players. I think he would have done well with a full complement.
He would have without a doubt done better, but I don't think he would have done well. As others have mentioned, the lack of discipline alone would have kept them from beating the better teams.
IMO, he would have been a lot like Mullen at Mississippi State. He would have beaten everyone he should, but only rarely beating a really good team with 8-9 wins being the realistic ceiling. That's great if you're at Mississippi State, but it won't get it done at Alabama.
I'm by no means a Shula hater. When mama called in desperate straights, he came home and I'll always appreciate the job he did with what he had to work with, but he just wasn't ready yet. He may be ready now with 10 post-Bama NFL years under his belt. If he gets a job, either college or pro, I'll be pulling for him. He and Bama are both better off now.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:21 am to Roses of Crimson
Bama did take some heat. I remember Don Shula going on the war path in the media against Alabama for firing his son. Truth is, Shula did sort of get a raw deal. Came in under horrible sanctions, guided us through those years cleanly and even had a really good season in 2005. But when you get a chance to hire the best CFB coach in the business, it was an easy decision....media heat be damned. Glad to see Shula having success with the Panthers, nothing but respect for him.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:24 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Saban got home, and Mal pulled the sales job of the century for bama.
That and 4 million + a year for 8 years didn't hurt either. Pretty much started the explosion in coaches salaries
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:28 am to The Egg
The media didn't blame us firing him, they piled on saying Alabama was a has been program and no good coach would ever want to come here, regardless of us firing him.
The media likes to talk trash, it's what they do.
The media likes to talk trash, it's what they do.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:28 am to KiwiHead
It did, and was a wise financial decision as well.
The Fins wanted saban to stay but sabans viability going forward was also being questioned by the local media. He was a .500 coach in Miami.
I personally think Saban would have been above average as an NFL coach, but just around a .600 NFL coach who would have probably been let go after another 4 years.
The Fins wanted saban to stay but sabans viability going forward was also being questioned by the local media. He was a .500 coach in Miami.
I personally think Saban would have been above average as an NFL coach, but just around a .600 NFL coach who would have probably been let go after another 4 years.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:30 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Saban knew he could squash those problems with Mals support and build a power again.
That he did....one of the things I have always heard through various people connected to the program was the first thing Saban did, with Mal's 100% support, was to lay down the law with the boosters and Bama's "big cigar' types. Made it quite clear we don't need any support like we received in the Albert Means fiasco. Anyone engaging in those type of shenanigans were summarily banned and Saban made it clear who was in charge and would not put up with any dissent.
I always said long before we hired Saban that it would take someone serious with the force of personality similar to that of Bryant to right the good ship Alabama. Nice guys like Shula and Curry just get chewed up and spit out there.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:31 am to KiwiHead
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That and 4 million + a year for 8 years didn't hurt either. Pretty much started the explosion in coaches salaries
You do realize that he took a severe pay cut to take the job don't you?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:36 am to nc14
It wasn't really a pay cut. Small cut in base, but similar total compensation.
And again, I don't think he would have made it anymore than 4 more years in Miami.
In fact, thinking more about the situation at the time, I think he would have been fired after the next season.
Lot of Miami players were on the verge of mutiny against him. Jason Taylor was the one preventing the locker room frim really turning on Saban and I don't think he could have held it together the next season.
And again, I don't think he would have made it anymore than 4 more years in Miami.
In fact, thinking more about the situation at the time, I think he would have been fired after the next season.
Lot of Miami players were on the verge of mutiny against him. Jason Taylor was the one preventing the locker room frim really turning on Saban and I don't think he could have held it together the next season.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:38 am to Giantkiller
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The difference is that they didn't torture him for 3 weeks, hanging him out in front of the local media with bullshite leaks
Exactly! UGA did it the right way. They likely decided a month ago that Richt wasnt going to be its coach next year but there were no "anonymous sources" leaking anything about it, they showed Ricth the proper amount of respect for everything he has done for their program. The UGA administration & AD handled the situation professionally. No one really knows who leaked the info on Miles but its pretty obvious it came from Alleva (or someone from his office) so he could gauge the fans & media reaction because he is not a competent administrator with a backbone.
Alleva and Co. made LSU look like a little league program and while it may not work out for UGA at least they made a decision and executed it properly.
LSU has put CLM and his staff in an impossible situation now.
How in the hell can any LSU coach recruit now that everyone knows CLM is on a year to year basis and could be fired at any time?
What OC / DC or even an up and coming position coach would take a job knowing his HC will be shite canned as soon as Alleva finds a big name coach willing to come to LSU?
Alleva basically handed CLM a ticking time bomb that will explode the next time LSU loses a game they were supposed to win! He couldn't have f**ked this up any worse even if he had done it purposely. Alleva should be cut loose by the end of today but sadly he wont be and this situation will continue to fester until one or both are gone. The biggest loser in all this are the players and fans who will have to watch as the program implodes and be unable to do a damn thing about it!
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:40 am to The Egg
I don't remember any heat for firing Shula. Caught a bunch of shite for hiring Saban though.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:40 am to crash1211
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Or Curry?
This is a different story. Curry was never very welcomed at Alabama.
He was a Bobby Dodd disciple, Georgia Tech man. With good cause many Alabamians still held a grudge for the role that Dodd and his boy-friend in the press, Ferman Bisher, had played in the Saturday Evening Post calumny against Coach Bryant. And Curry had played for that dick during that early 1960s time period.
Curry was a surprise hire to replace Perkins, and was widely disliked. His hiring was actually orchestrated by... believe it or not .. the Alabama faculty (OMG! WTF?). Idiots.
In the mid-80s there was as big upheaval on the campus with professors and faculty acting like 1960's hippies. The President was ultimately forced out, several Deans resigned. Curry was hired because "the faculty will like it." This statement by the President of Alabama, Gundy, was after Curry gave a speech about "academics first and deemphasize football..."
Even though I hosted him at a party in New Orleans during the Sugar Bowl in 1990, I couldn't wait for him to move on... He couldn't beat Auburn. Frick Auburn, frick Curry, frick Georgia Tech, Frick Bobby fricking Dodd that mother-fricking mother-fricker.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:40 am to 14&Counting
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I always said long before we hired Saban that it would take someone serious with the force of personality similar to that of Bryant to right the good ship Alabama. Nice guys like Shula and Curry just get chewed up and spit out there.
Which is exactly why a guy like Dabo would be a disaster here. There are certain sports programs and franchises that demand a certain type of leader and personality and Alabama is certainly one of those places. There's a reason guys like Bryant, Stallings and Saban had so much success while guys like Curry and Shula flame out quickly. Alabama needs an Alpha general type, nothing else will succeed here.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 10:48 am to tider04
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There's a reason guys like Bryant, Stallings and Saban had so much success while guys like Curry and Shula flame out quickly. Alabama needs an Alpha general type, nothing else will succeed here.
That is what the fans respond to and what they expect...a General Patton type...a hard assed but benevolent dictator like Bryant and Saban.
The head football coach at Alabama is a brutal job in terms of the expectations, pressure, and the 24-7, 365 day a year scrutiny it receives. There isn't another job quite like it except maybe manager of the New York Yankees.... just in terms of how brutal the fans and media can be and the expectations and demands for success and titles year-in and year-out. It is without a doubt one of the toughest jobs in sports.
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